Wormholes

Because, as I once read on tthese very forums, circa 2009:

There is a leaking pipe in the basement.

The sensible solution would be to patch the pipe up, or to replace it.

The CCP solution would be to add a 200hp diesel powered pump to pump the water out.

But worry not, my friend, for this is 2015, and now CCP will let you choose between 3 or more fancy colors for your engine!

But don't you see? That's exactly the problem, it does make large fleet fights harder, but it also ***** on hundreds of other situations, that's the problem. There are a dozen ways of making large fights different, one of which could easily be to change the warp-in bubble size to 10km radius or nerfing a specific ship class, this change effectively makes multiboxing annoying as hell, having to warp multiple ships one by one.

The charm and fun of eve was never the combat system - keep em in your guns' optimals, be faster, be tankier, whatever, the most advanced techniques of eve combat are doubleclicking in space and overheating properly. It was never about the freaking mechanics, it was about raping the hell out of something the other guy worked hard for. Getting tears, schadenfreude. Now CCP made poeple fly ****-tier inexpensive ships, which they don't care about losing, clones now cost 0 ISK, so now, suddenly no one gives a flying fedo about losing this or that ship or pod, it's all meaningless, and since it's meaningless, everybody suddenly realized the mechanics through which you lose said ships are ****-tier, just like the ships themselves.

Now CCP is trying to make the mechanics 'more interesting' instead of striking at the root of the problem, nerfing the crap out of frigate-**** ships, and getting people to fly shiny **** they don't want to lose, so when they fight in it, they get an adrenaline RUSH, instead of hooray, I just killed a ******* tristan.

CCP have made some big strides forward with bookmarks in recent times. This is a giant leap backwards.

Console me with Alliance bookmarks and I'll forget we ever spoke of this.

Seems like a heavy handed approach to fix what i assume is mostly bomber related problems. but you just go ahead and do whatever makes you happy CCP, people will either adapt or stop playing. Honestly i don't even care anymore.

With the introduction of frigate wormholes ([font="Sarcastica"]Thank you Fozzie[/font]), scanning in cov-ops has become more used. Cov-ops doesn't like being decloaked with sleeper frigates on grid.
With the changes to the scanners way of instantly telling people that a new signature is present ([font="Sarcastica"]Thatks, we so much needed this[/font]), time and speed has become more important than ever.

How do we use warping to bookmarks?
- We use bookmarks for everything. Warping to wormholes, warping to wrecks, tractor units etc. We make the bookmark, then we fleetwarp the fleet to the bookmark so they don't have to wait for it to propagate.

How do we use warping to scanned signatures?
- When trying to catch targets, combat scanning them becomes a race against time due to the changes to signature spawn(read above). Decloaking a cov-ops on grid with sleeper frigs, lokis etc, is borderline suicidal. Fleetwarp will often be used to warp suicide dictors and similar onto the enemy fleet in order to establise tackle.

So these changes gives us 2 options.
We can either suicide a ship/pilot in order to provide a warp in, which will remove that pilot from the fight (Sounds like the definition of a bad game to me?)

Or, we can wait 10 minuts for every pilot to get the bookmark, which will often equal no-fight. And personally I think it is pretty bad game design to have some bad propagation code decide when a player can or can't warp.

My only prayer for CCP: Stop being lazy, start getting better. Recent and coming changes are dominated by you choosing "the easy way" instead of the good way. being lazy is a good way of making bad decissions.

Steven is spot on.


This seems like a rather blanket solution for a specific problem. I feel like many players would appreciate some changes to bomber mechanics but this is like bringing a nuke to a knife fight.

Wouldn't it make more sense to say.....

Have bombers emit radial damage when they fire and damage each other? The more bombers clumped closely together would increase damage.

hey, bonus I just realised. You won't have a squad warp at a much lower speed than it's squad member's peak warp velocity due to some clown having a BS in squad. This will help your squad get onto grid way before your idiotic 2009 player in the BS or armour ship, allowing you to gank everything before he even lands or locks anything.

I think a lot of people have/will cover/ed all the bad points of this so I wont waste your time with a lengthy explanation of why this is a bad idea.

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Could you just once give us an improvement with this CSM you've gotten, other then rotten news, how about telling us what you plan to do about this. Or do you just not care?

The three biggest issues I see with this change which are a day to day thing. Most of these apply to groups who run with more than just 1 corporation.

1.
If you have multiple corps either from being in an alliance or on a joint op, when your going down the chain, especially if its a long chain currently you fleet warp or provide a warp in to the WH, fleet warping is preferred since you don''t have to worry about the character ahead getting caught and this while annoying I could get used to just continually warping to someone to get the chain I haven't bookmarked, it will just require more scouts all the time.

2.
If your warping into a hostile fleet, this is the worst part of the change in my opinion. Currently we can fleet warp either directly into the hostile fleet or at a tactical spot and then warp down to engage them, this relies on just the fleet commander having the bookmark because often if your running in an alliance or with multiple groups then not everyone is going to have the bookmark because you bookmark so much **** in wormholes (CCP please try living out of WH's for once). After the change this is going to resort in either getting a scout at the position which if its tactical is no problem but if your warping directly to the WH no scout is going to put himself 2km away from the entire hostile fleet and their bubblers. So we'll have to resort to WAITING for the bookmarks to propogate, thank you CCP for FORCING us to wait even longer now for any chance to have some decent PvP.

3. When your going to kill some site runners, when I kill site runners who are on their own I either warp to my scout alt or fleet warp using my scout out (obviously with warp with fleet turned off) to the enemy at zero either by bookmark I made or with probes. Having to warp to my scout alt means I have to get my scout alt dangerously close, and because of the changes you CCP have made to Wormholes almost everyone scans with Covops not T3's because of frigate holes and the importance to scan quickly given how easy it is to spot new holes. If your going to kill an escalation fleet (which is actually hard if the site runners put an ounce of effort into defending themselves), then a usual thing to do is for the bubblers to be switched to a squad where the commander is the scout, scout then fleet warps the bubblers to the hostile fleet either through probes or a bookmark, and given how hard it can be (and time consuming) for a scout to manually pilot close to the enemy fleet (which is very dangerous because of the all the objects in sites) and the amount of time it consumes, giving the hostiles more time to extract once they IMMEDIATELY spot the new sig appearing. You are just making site running even safer, which is not something we want!