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Legion low sec combat sites runner ? advice

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Magnius Dark
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#1 - 2015-06-09 13:59:46 UTC
Hello
I am skilink lasers and i wanna do some of the DED sites in low so can you give me some fits ?
If its even possible ?
Thx for your time :)
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2015-06-09 14:20:04 UTC
You'd want to be doing Blood or Sansha DEDs since laser damage type is bad against pretty much all other rats.

Here's a fit I saved that someone else posted, I've never actually used it but I remember them recommending it for lowsec Blood DEDs

[Legion, bloods beams]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2015-06-09 19:15:39 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
You'd want to be doing Blood or Sansha DEDs since laser damage type is bad against pretty much all other rats.

Here's a fit I saved that someone else posted, I've never actually used it but I remember them recommending it for lowsec Blood DEDs

[Legion, bloods beams]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Yup, that's my fit. It definitely works in BR/Sansha space and you can make it work in Serpentis space as well. Don't dream of taking it up against Angels or Guristas; consider (and then reject due to range) a HAM Legion instead for those.

Carry MF and UV for sure; a bit of Gleam never hurt either. Haven't really found a use for Aurora.

Consider faction heat sinks; they'll boost damage enough to make the cost worthwhile. It's not like you should ever put yourself in a position to be ganked anyhow.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#4 - 2015-06-09 23:46:08 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
You'd want to be doing Blood or Sansha DEDs since laser damage type is bad against pretty much all other rats.

Here's a fit I saved that someone else posted, I've never actually used it but I remember them recommending it for lowsec Blood DEDs

[Legion, bloods beams]

Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Yup, that's my fit. It definitely works in BR/Sansha space and you can make it work in Serpentis space as well. Don't dream of taking it up against Angels or Guristas; consider (and then reject due to range) a HAM Legion instead for those.

Carry MF and UV for sure; a bit of Gleam never hurt either. Haven't really found a use for Aurora.

Consider faction heat sinks; they'll boost damage enough to make the cost worthwhile. It's not like you should ever put yourself in a position to be ganked anyhow.


Combat recons not appearing on dscan added a little bit of extra risk when running lowsec DEDs. A Lachesis can sneak up on you and get a point on you quite easily if you don't have an alt to watch the outside. Also there are still cloaky traps in some DEDs. I remember your original fit had triple faction heat sinks which makes the fit cost a little less than a bil which is quite a fair bit for something that can be caught rather easily.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#5 - 2015-06-10 00:00:53 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Combat recons not appearing on dscan added a little bit of extra risk when running lowsec DEDs. A Lachesis can sneak up on you and get a point on you quite easily if you don't have an alt to watch the outside. Also there are still cloaky traps in some DEDs. I remember your original fit had triple faction heat sinks which makes the fit cost a little less than a bil which is quite a fair bit for something that can be caught rather easily.


All true. For me, that all boils down to knowing your territory, but obviously if you're just starting out that's hardly an option. A case could easily be made for a cheaper learning fit.

However, you do have to be careful where you skimp. The heat sinks are indeed expendable, but going without extends your time in site. The repper, as far as I'm concerned, is already cheap and delivers just enough punch to coast through the final room of 5/10s with some heat. I'd be very hesitant to downgrade the membranes unless you're sitting on armor comps at 5 -- in which case, sure, B-types should do the trick. If/when I lose my Legion I'll likely go that route rather than all the way back to A-types.

For anyone theorycrafting a fit, I highly recommend DPS at 50km as a benchmark for 5/10s and 6/10s (particularly in BR/Sansha space). Tanking 400 rat specific seems more than adequate as long as you can overheat to absorb some peak damage. I've found that the Legion hits these marks better than most ships, and certainly better than other T3s (so long as the damage type is appropriate for the rats).
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#6 - 2015-06-10 02:32:00 UTC
I agree on keeping the tank, I don't have much experience with Blood/Sansha sites but it looks pretty thin as is. Another option would be to drop a tracking computer for some cap recharge and go with an additional active armor rig over the CCC for more tank which I would recommend for beginners. You said you'd need some overheating to get through the higher dps waves which will be a huge problem for someone new to the site who doesn't know which rats to shoot to drop the dps fastest or heats the tank too late and gets popped.

Once you get to know the locals well going for the faction heat sinks is definitely recommended but until then I'd say go for a little extra tank and T2 heat sinks. I think my paranoia about getting jumped is probably due to doing DEDs in Guristas space which is highly contested and a very busy part of lowsec.

On a somewhat related sidenote, I personally prefer doing these types of sites in PvP ships. Some ships like the Tengu, Ishtar and some Command Ships can do these sites easily in a PvP fit and while it will take longer for you to complete the site, you can fight off most unwanted visitors and being inside a DED gives a large strategic advantage since you will be able to see backup coming miles away as well as being able to position yourself at an ideal range to deal with multiple ships. Running a full PvE fit like this Legion will let you do the sites faster, but if someone scans your site down you pretty much have to run away. Pretty much any PvP fit will kill you.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-06-10 08:57:49 UTC
If you have Boosts available then a PvP fit ham legion should work,
then you end up with an active tanked ham legion which some people get nervous sitting in,
personaly iv had much success with a 100mn active ham PvP setup which I have yet to lose dispite PvP ing in it hammered drunk for months so it can't be that bad, more cap for tanking, less need for cap mods , provided the ab is a c-type it's easier to keep running than a mwd .



Makes for a tooth itchingly expensive legion though so maby not a good idea for a new legion pilot.

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2015-06-10 09:46:22 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
If you have Boosts available then a PvP fit ham legion should work,
then you end up with an active tanked ham legion which some people get nervous sitting in,
personaly iv had much success with a 100mn active ham PvP setup which I have yet to lose dispite PvP ing in it hammered drunk for months so it can't be that bad, more cap for tanking, less need for cap mods , provided the ab is a c-type it's easier to keep running than a mwd .



Makes for a tooth itchingly expensive legion though so maby not a good idea for a new legion pilot.


Yeah with links a HAM Legion would be able to do the sites. The problem is that the HAM Legion gets atrocious range and due to the ranged nature of PvE it would be highly inefficient and you'd spend ages in sites thus increasing your risk of getting scanned down and kicked out.

100MN PvP Tengu is a nice option for Guristas/Serpentis sites as it can easily tank the sites without even needing to cap boost (so you're at full capacity when you need to PvP) while having 40+km range with Javelins and almost 700dps with kinetic rage. However this obviously wouldn't translate well to Sansha/Blood sites. Maybe a kite Ishtar with Curators would be able to out range most of the Sansha/Blood rats and thus be able to do these sites but I don't have enough experience with those sites to say for sure.
Magnius Dark
Omni Galactic
Central Omni Galactic Group
#9 - 2015-06-10 13:31:45 UTC
And BTW how much isk can you make in low sec ?
Doing exploration ?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2015-06-10 13:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Magnius Dark wrote:
And BTW how much isk can you make in low sec ?
Doing exploration ?

Varies wildly.

I made 300 million in about an hour the other day but 20 the day after, all the while being hunted by the locals
(if they caught me I would have been down almost 800 million).

Between the combat sights ,anomalies and the belts (clone soldiers and mordus spawns) potentially a lot if you're patient and careful.

Make no mistake, you will be hunted in a legion.

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