Ships & Modules

Said hyp also has less range to play with as well as a lot more in terms of cap use and doesnt get selectable damage types or ammo that comes with a tracking bonus built in. What he said is true, you need to look at the much larger picture.

A single vexor can do the job well enough flown right.



Explosive just so happens to be the hypes resist hole, given the amount of vexor based hulls out there kinetic/thermal based weapons are not as great, its the reason why our megathron fleet was retired. Pest gets TWO utility highs.



Blasters are my bread and butter, personally mine go out to as far as 55km with hits still landing at 60km. Slap on the same gear on a pest and you get more range.[/quote]

They don't help much when you run out of boosters which is rather likely to happen on a busy roam.



The most used ships right now are the vexor hulls.



Matari t1 = pest. The Mael is a fleet alpha boat and is still highly effective at that job.


KB are a terrible way of guessing someones experience. I know my **** though experience, just because I fly a megathron doesn't mean that all I know. AC are on par with the other weapon systems out there, all you need to do is think a little and stop blindly following the FOTM. As for that buff, it is not as strong as the one you lot were demanding. What you wanted was the pre nerf auto sniper cynables of old to return. I also recall showing you that matari ship useage was either on par or on top of the pile in every ship class.

What active tanked ship wouldnt be capped out when it runs out of cap boosters? What a dumb thing to say. Again what is your point? My triple repped, dual cap boosted pest would be get capped out by a neut vexor as well and die because it cant rep itself or utilize its own neuts. Seems to be a lot of moving of the goal posts with you (as usual).

I guess you should bring a prowler full of cap boosters then on your "roam". Or if youre smart setup areas to dock and refill (in LS). Or dock, get in something more agile and make a booster run. Dont go roaming with suboptimal amount of CB. And if you do run out of CB in the middle of a fight, well **** happens. Cant win them all. But will take much more than a single neut vexor to cap out and kill a hype.

Sigh.. we were talking maelstrom vs hyperion. You said explo is hypes weakest resist. I countered by saying the maels weakest resists are kinetic/thermal. Therefore meaning, both ships are shooting into their weakest resists. Where did the vexor fall into this?

KB dont count for experience? You mean like when you were using them to say acs are fine when most were being used in GC? Or the statistics were inaccurate due to it showing cynabals were killing ships with themselves? That sure didnt stop you from using them in the arguement against acs. So why cant i use them to see your experience at flying the ships you say are fine?

More e-peen waving as usual. "I know my stuff" but then have no proof of you actually using them to proove that "experience". Just cause you made the baltec mega does not immediately make what you say gospel. Especially when it comes to acs and the fact you have 0 history flying them.

That buff was half of what I was requesting of the maximum (15%). CCP gave us 7.5% which did almost nothing (1km more on a vagabond \o/). You are saying that another 7.5% (or 1-2km in falloff) would suddenly break acs and pwn your blaster boats?

My guns might still shoot, but my tackle will be turned off. Without a web, a cruiser with sig radius of 140 before links will still be able to sig tank my guns. Try again plz. Incoming "acs track fine without tackle". Sorry but acs dont have blaster tracking cupcake.

So if you have a backup ship full of CB how exactly does your hype run out of CB against a single neut vexor? You mean you just made up a scenario that fit your arguement? You, moving goal posts? No way. That never happens.

Apparently they didnt listen to you. You didnt want acs buffed at all. Said they were "fine". So CCP actually listened to everyone who wanted the buff in the thread. They split the difference.

Think im done turding up this thread with our bickering, youll just keep derailing and moving goal posts in the discussion. So its pretty much futile to continue.

You can scrape it together using two fitting rigs (one t2 ancillary, 1 t1 processor) but if you want a MWD you have to sacrifice fitting anything into the high slot.

Those things are disgustingly cheap.

also pointing out my stabber gets more DPS out of the un bonused RLMLs and Warrior IIs, so I'm going to try DDAs and BCSes in my lows.

Agreed on pretty much everything. Except firetail is good, it's versatile which makes it threatening since if you don't know the fit it could be a hard counter to what you're flying. It's not as good as a comet, but still solid. Dram is pretty nice too, it's quite cheap amongst the pirate frigs and you can do alot with that speed, I've flown the Dram as a lowsec inty of sorts that can hold it's own in scram range against most larger targets. It's not great solo though.

"Bs are all fine" is what really gets me. How is the Tempest 'all fine'? It's probably the worst T1 BS out there TBH.

I'm surprised no one mentioned anything about the Loki yet. Is it good, okay, bad or what?