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Should a Sleipnir be cap stable to do C3's?
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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-06-07 11:48:11 UTC
omg i cant take it anymore.
why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore?

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3

PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck

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Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-06-07 11:49:56 UTC
Tosawa Komarui wrote:
i dont know about a slepnir but i know on a tengu a large shield booster is...normally not cap stable, and i dont think its a huge deal, it basically just gives you a little extra burst tank in an emergency but otherwise you dont just leave it running. a slepnir is a larger sig i dont know how damage it receives differs from a tengu


With skirm links the Sleips sig is 145 and yes in the Tengu with the Cap Matrix + 3x Cap Rigs+ 1 Cap Recharger II gets over 55% cap stability using the Pith X-Type large shield booster.
Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-06-07 11:55:40 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
omg i cant take it anymore.
why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore?

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3

PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck


Just get the hell out of this thread, MORON and go back escalating Sub-Caps to death in your Moros.
Azn
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-06-07 13:43:43 UTC
Please tell me you lose your **** like this when you die.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#25 - 2015-06-07 13:47:27 UTC
Oh dear.


Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-06-07 13:54:54 UTC
Azn wrote:
Please tell me you lose your **** like this when you die.


I'll kill you first before you get the chance xD.
Kellie Dusette
Division 13
#27 - 2015-06-07 14:16:43 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
omg i cant take it anymore.

Take breath, in for nose, hold out for mouth. Is going for be okay.

Jack Miton wrote:
PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck

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Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#28 - 2015-06-07 15:59:27 UTC
Dregalis DeGraiden wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
omg i cant take it anymore.
why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore?

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3

PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck


Just get the hell out of this thread, MORON and go back escalating Sub-Caps to death in your Moros.


Baby needs a huge.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-06-08 05:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
OP, I guess you've already forgotten that you're suppose to IGNORE THE TROLLING POSTS. Meditate on this if you have to so you'll remember next time.

The Loki and the Gila are actually better for C3's then the Sleipnir. The Sleipnir is more suited for PVP than PVE and it's at it's best when fitted with Dual XL-ASB's when used as such.

Get PYTA and experiment with different fits until you're satisfied and try them out on SiSi before you die a horrid death due to a fail fit.
(You'll have everyone in this thread including their grandmothers laughing at you nonstop if you lose a Sleipnir in a C3)


P.S If you're not sure yet on how to fit a Sleipnir for C3's then you're definitely not ready to PVP in one yet, best to avoid anyone you see in this thread at all cost for now.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#30 - 2015-06-08 07:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
Sleipnir is great for C3's togheter with a friend in a dominix or other battleship.
warp in ships at 0 in site, tell sleipnir to orbit domi , melt down incoming frigates with Auto cannons.
Use battleship drones / main weapons to melt battleships , cruisers.
Domi fit can be standard T2 armor tank, sleip might need a deadspace L or XL booster if you want to play it safe.
If you are really worried about the bs in site can fit sleip with 650 arty's to assist the dominix in shooting them larger stuff.
Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-06-08 10:56:56 UTC
Janeway84 wrote:
Sleipnir is great for C3's togheter with a friend in a dominix or other battleship.
warp in ships at 0 in site, tell sleipnir to orbit domi , melt down incoming frigates with Auto cannons.
Use battleship drones / main weapons to melt battleships , cruisers.
Domi fit can be standard T2 armor tank, sleip might need a deadspace L or XL booster if you want to play it safe.
If you are really worried about the bs in site can fit sleip with 650 arty's to assist the dominix in shooting them larger stuff.


I prefer to do it solo. If the Sleip can't manage this then I'll feel stupid since I could've already trained for the Loki 2 months ago.
Nou Mene
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#32 - 2015-06-08 17:38:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nou Mene
mm i wouldnt fit a mwd... an ab would give you better cap instantly
some ppl downsize the booster (ds medium + booster maybe)

tbh, not sure if enough....

[Sleipnir, Unnamed loadout]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II


That would give you desired tank for c3 (around 600 dps), but you'll need the noses for cap stability. Keep in mind that you can probably tank fine with noses, but many sites neut you and web you from far away (deep deep falloff) and could get you killed. i Think missiles are still superior for pve, much much better aplication most times, claymore?
if you downsize the booster is harder for you to hit the tank needed... i'll probably use at least a synth mindflood and train for loki if you already have projectile and minmie training.

medium booster alt

[Sleipnir, Unnamed loadout]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN Afterburner II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Gistum A-Type Medium Shield Booster

425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier II


If faction booster amps and/or invul you can downgrade booster... idk how much is an A-type but that fit is stable w/o noses ( borderline though) and tank enough
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#33 - 2015-06-08 21:00:20 UTC
I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-06-08 23:41:30 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target.

because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#35 - 2015-06-08 23:47:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:

because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.


The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2015-06-09 00:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.

The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.

guess that's probably fair.
personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess.

going with arty makes the fit trivial cos you don't need a prop mod. kinda nice.
can either go with CCC rigs and a 3 slot + DC tank, or resists rigs and a 2 slot + DC tank. you need to refit to cap rechargers for the neuting sites if you go with the 2 slot version though which is probably more effort than it's worth.

as general PVE fitting notes (from looking at the fits posted here):
it's never correct to use a boost amp on this ship
if you want cap rigs, use CCCs, not memory cells and CERTAINLY not safeguards...
dont listen to hard knocks for PVE fitting advice (im assuming that fit is a troll but it's probably not.)

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Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-06-09 01:12:03 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.


The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.


I'll have a smartbombing heavy armor tanked Sacrilege to take care of the frigs. Can you judge this fit for me Lloyd for C3's

Sleipnir Arty C3 fit

Highs
5x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II
1x Medium NOS II
1x Prototype Cloaking Device I

Mids
1x 10MN AB II
1x Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
2x Cap Recharger II
1x Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster

Lows
1x DC II
2x Capacitor Relay II
2x Gyrostablizer II

Rigs
1x Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
1x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Stats with Low-Grade Crystal Set + Siege Links (with some + 3% damage implants) with my skills

Shield resist~ 83 72 80 77 ~tanks 823 dps
Cap Stable @ 53.3% (60% with NOS)

Dps~ 575 with Quake @ 7.5 + 32.8km
Drones Hobs II ~ 92dps
Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-06-09 01:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dregalis DeGraiden
Jack Miton wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.

The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.

guess that's probably fair.
personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess.

going with arty makes the fit trivial cos you don't need a prop mod. kinda nice.
can either go with CCC rigs and a 3 slot + DC tank, or resists rigs and a 2 slot + DC tank. you need to refit to cap rechargers for the neuting sites if you go with the 2 slot version though which is probably more effort than it's worth.

as general PVE fitting notes (from looking at the fits posted here):
it's never correct to use a boost amp on this ship
if you want cap rigs, use CCCs, not memory cells and CERTAINLY not safeguards...
dont listen to hard knocks for PVE fitting advice (im assuming that fit is a troll but it's probably not.)


I would too if I could fly Titans and Dreads.

Jack you remind me of my ole Chief Petty Officer when I was in the U.S Navy. He was grumpy as hell, was always sarcastic, but every now and then he'll give ya some real good advice, thanks for the info mate.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#39 - 2015-06-09 01:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Can't you fly a marauder?

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Dregalis DeGraiden
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-06-09 02:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Dregalis DeGraiden
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
CAn't you fly a marauder?


I thought about the Vargur until I kept hearing the stories about them getting bombed to death by Stealth Bombing gangs and one shotted by Dreads, so I trained specifically for the Sleipnir.

I'll need to be in a good WH corp before I use those because I'm sure I'll lose that 1 Bill isk hull within a week if I try bringing one in a WH. If I get ganked in a WH (which will happen sooner or later) I'd rather it be in a Sleip since I can replace one of those in a day and I won't lose SP upon death.