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Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#41 - 2015-06-09 01:58:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Rinai Vero
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2015-06-09 08:39:21 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.



I'm curious. How come the ships defending them are all registered to the Gallente Navy?


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#43 - 2015-06-09 08:49:45 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.



I'm curious. How come the ships defending them are all registered to the Gallente Navy?



my guess?
The black eagles, in part or whole, are known for their duplicitous nature.
transponder signals don't always tell the truth.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#44 - 2015-06-09 09:30:41 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.



I'm curious. How come the ships defending them are all registered to the Gallente Navy?



my guess?
The black eagles, in part or whole, are known for their duplicitous nature.
transponder signals don't always tell the truth.


They could've set them to transpond as Guardian Angel or Serpentis ships, then. Blame it all on 'rogue actors', as Mlle. Vero said. I'm sure Black Eagles are not above such matters, ethics wise.

Which brings us to two possible outcomes, really:

1) Black Eagles are pulling some kind of a double spin, an upside-down-saw, which I'll let conspiracy theorist and Federal apologists to discuss because I have no time for such nonsense.

And far more likely, inconvenient truth:

2) Black Eagles and/or Gallente Navy is actually in charge of the said illegal facilities. Occam's razor and all. After all, Federation isn't as clean as they'd like themselves to believe.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2015-06-09 10:18:42 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:

How about this, by the power vested in moi as a Gallente loyalist Capsuleer with no official Federation government authority whatsoever... I hereby declare all Caldari detainees currently being held in Black Rise facilities GUILTY. Sentence to be carried out with due expedience by Black Eagles personnel I, again... have no authority over or official affiliation with whatsoever.


We will keep fighting, you can threat us as much as you can, but we WILL fight back and we WILL win. Caldari spirit lives in every one of us, you can kill couple, but you never will be able to win, because unlike individualist gallentes, we fight for each other, and we are ready to sacrifice our lives for our kirjuun.

Gallentean terror and threats won't affect us. Unlike your greedy occupants we have something valuable to defend. We will fight for our parents, we will fight for our children, for our planets and our ancestral lands. We will fight for our corporations and assets.

And as well, we will fight for JUSTICE, and gallentean "freedom", that basically claims that "gallente can do whatever they want, and all others can't", we will show you that you CAN'T just name people GIULTY without giving them chance to defend themselves. We will show you that you CAN'T convict people without fair and just tribunal. We will show you, that if you dare to BOMB other planets and OCCUPY them, you must PAY for this.

And if you won't be able to repent, YOU WILL PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD.
We WILL come and liberate every colonist, who was oppressed by federal fascist occupants, and we will answer to you for all your crimes.
As you deserve.
WITH FIRE AND STEEL.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#46 - 2015-06-09 13:19:40 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:

How about this, by the power vested in moi as a Gallente loyalist Capsuleer with no official Federation government authority whatsoever... I hereby declare all Caldari detainees currently being held in Black Rise facilities GUILTY. Sentence to be carried out with due expedience by Black Eagles personnel I, again... have no authority over or official affiliation with whatsoever.


... you CAN'T just name people GIULTY without giving them chance to defend themselves. We will show you that you CAN'T convict people without fair and just tribunal.


Agreed. And neither can you, you quivering little ball of cognitive dissonance.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2015-06-09 14:49:59 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.


Commander Kim's statelessness as a Capsuleer is the only explanation for her liberty to continue what would be crimes if she were a State citizen or regular Navy personnel. You know it. I know it. On some level I assume she knows it and uses her status as a Capsuleer to do the things she thinks MUST be done, if the Federation is to be destroyed.

On the other hand, the crime here is the illegal detention centers. Which are operated by the Federation - an organisation which talks an awful lot about freedoms and liberty and morality, but has shown itself capable of the kind of expediency that your organisation regularly accuses the State of.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#48 - 2015-06-09 15:06:44 UTC
I recognize that. Most sane people participating in this discussion have made the obvious and true "two wrongs don't make a right" connection.

What I'm pointing out is the absurdity of what one must believe to subscribe to Kim's viewpoint. When her crew detains Gallente POWs, "convicts" them of "war crimes" without legitimate convening authority, then executes them... that's "JUSTICE" to her. Not only that, but by her understanding "State Law" approves of such actions, and is right to do so.

On the other hand, when I propose to do the exact same thing I'm proving that I think "gallente can do whatever they want and all others can't." Or something.

For the record, I know that no State legal authority endorses the precedent Kim seeks to establish. Rather, her belief should be seen as the twisted perversion of the principles of the Caldari State that it is.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-06-09 15:20:56 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:


Agreed. And neither can you, you quivering little ball of cognitive dissonance.

And unlike you, I never did, you hypocritical gallentean occupant!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#50 - 2015-06-09 15:34:36 UTC
That's exactly what you did. You have no legal authority to try Gallente citizens, or anyone else for that matter, other than what you have granted yourself.

Your "trials" are a sham. Your "tribunals" are a sham. The only thing that isn't a sham about your whole act is the blood on your hands.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#51 - 2015-06-09 15:45:32 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
That's exactly what you did. You have no legal authority to try Gallente citizens, or anyone else for that matter, other than what you have granted yourself.

Your "trials" are a sham. Your "tribunals" are a sham. The only thing that isn't a sham about your whole act is the blood on your hands.


not empty quoting.

in fact diana, it was you who released the video of you doing it, so claiming after the fact that you didn't seems...
sod it, nevermind, your level of self delusion is impossible to dent with logic or truth.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#52 - 2015-06-09 16:02:35 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
That's exactly what you did. You have no legal authority to try Gallente citizens, or anyone else for that matter, other than what you have granted yourself.

Your "trials" are a sham. Your "tribunals" are a sham. The only thing that isn't a sham about your whole act is the blood on your hands.

Sham here are only your words, all you gallentean loudmouths can do is cry out your empty insults, instead of filing proper papers to find out that you are wrong.
Those, who wish to find out truth, can do this by proper procedure, and you... with your democracies and other atrocities...
I have learnt already, that speaking with gallenteans like you is simply useless.

For kakku tyuui like you it is easier to squeal your delusions instead of taking one small step and learn the facts.
You are so disgusting!

Or maybe you forgot how many peoples YOU have killed?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-06-09 16:05:35 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
Its worse than that. We've heard numerous pilots of all nationalities point out that these Black Rise detention facilities are a violation of Gallente law just as much as they violate every principle our society holds dear. It's my view as well that these facilities are illegal under Federal law, operated by rogue actors.

By claiming her actions have sanction under the laws of the Caldari State, Pilot Kim is essentially indicting her entire Nation's system of laws as complicit in approving her crimes against humanity.


Commander Kim's statelessness as a Capsuleer is the only explanation for her liberty to continue what would be crimes if she were a State citizen or regular Navy personnel. You know it. I know it. On some level I assume she knows it and uses her status as a Capsuleer to do the things she thinks MUST be done, if the Federation is to be destroyed.

On the other hand, the crime here is the illegal detention centers. Which are operated by the Federation - an organisation which talks an awful lot about freedoms and liberty and morality, but has shown itself capable of the kind of expediency that your organisation regularly accuses the State of.

Tuulinen-haan, for you public lies about me I challenge you to duel.
If you still have your honor after such disgusting lies like me being "statelessness", you have one tiny chance to restore it.

In ships, on firearms, swords or hand to hand - your choice.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#54 - 2015-06-09 16:09:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


Or maybe you forgot how many peoples YOU have killed?


Not only have I forgotten, I don't bother to keep count.

I've never executed a helpless prisoner though.

I don't care if you documented every one of your mock trials with records in triplicate. That doesn't make them legal.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#55 - 2015-06-09 16:11:00 UTC
Your words are empty, gallentean.
I don't believe any of them.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#56 - 2015-06-09 16:17:13 UTC
Here's the best part: so are yours. Your words mean nothing outside the confines of your twisted little mind. Self delusion is all you have.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#57 - 2015-06-09 16:18:05 UTC
Look in the mirror, gallentean, as you are describing yourself.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#58 - 2015-06-09 16:40:35 UTC
spirits above, she's fallen back on 'no u' again.
you should concede defeat when that is all you have left Diana.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#59 - 2015-06-09 16:47:02 UTC
Hah. Is that all you've got?

I'm sure there are a fair number of capsuleers who view me as a nationalist fanatic. Thankfully, I've managed to spend my years in the pod helping to build within a community of like minds. My gallente compatriots may sometimes disagree with me, but they generally respect our common purpose.

You, on the other hand, have done more over the years to alienate yourself from other Caldari than anything else. The overwhelming consensus of your peers reject your fanaticism, and pity your insanity.
Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2015-06-09 17:21:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tuulinen-haan, for you public lies about me I challenge you to duel.
If you still have your honor after such disgusting lies like me being "statelessness", you have one tiny chance to restore it.

In ships, on firearms, swords or hand to hand - your choice.


I don't find it disgusting to be Stateless; I find it quite freeing, in fact. Also, I've found Pieter quite respectful of my choice to be free of the State that created me. I'm not sure he meant it as a slight, merely as a neutral classification. To find it insulting, you're placing your own judgement on the term. Given your obvious fanaticism for the State you've exhibited, I can understand that. It must hurt.

Perhaps you should examine yourself and think about why the State has rejected you. And then decide if the State is truly deserving of such devotion and sacrifice. If you decide that it is, perhaps you should make amends, pay a penance as our Amarrian friends would say, to reconcile with the State.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference