Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If these modules come, missiles will be nerfed further to compensate for the bonuses of these modules. Fitting them will be mandatory to get back close to previous stats. Whoever wants these modules in the game, either hasn't been around with the last buff/nerf round or has and just blanks this fact out of the mind.

except the current missile fits are anemic even with their current paper DPS after you dedicate all of the lows to BCU. I would like to say they make up for that by being able to select the damage type but to many of them are stuck with only one. this just makes it worse as it is much easier to tank against one damage type rather than 2

A Buff coming to missiles? 5% to HM? on 07 Show.

There will be a low and med slot Version, will be scriptable aswell. Also no nerf to missiles in this update.

Not on Youtube yet to my knowledge, but the twitch replay is at http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/v/6066211

Nope. The nerf is too ABs. Their 44% damage reduction against missiles only made the victim die slower.

Sorry to interrupt this - forlorn missile circle jerk Caldari persecution complex Fozzie hating - indulgence session, but yeah it appears from the last o7 show that changes are coming in many ways. We will have to wait to see the whole set of the changes.

But to engage also in speculation is fun. Here is mine.

Since missile TC and TEs are on Sisi, and scripts for them. Most likely these will as some have already said result/necessitate some nerfing of base missile or rapid launcher stats. Light missiles will probably have to lose a little range. Otherwise we could some truly ridiculous range on some small hulls with specialized fits.

And even though just about all of you itt are commenting from a Caldari centered view point, ironically it may be a Minmatar missile boat, the Typhoon, that becomes a balancing terror. It already has an application bonus baked into the hull. Adding mods to it to exaggerate the power of its missiles may become a giggle inducing popular pursuit.

Almost no one has commented on some of the other missile changes mentioned. HMs are getting a 5% damage rebuff. This may be compensation for some measure of lost damage when people swap out a BCS for a missile tracking enhancer. Also it could just be a reevaluation of the HM damage stats.

Missiles of all kinds are apparently getting hp buffs. This may be an attempt to dissuade the use of firewalling. Why would CCP do this? While firewalling was a creative answer to no working dedicated ewar against the former ubiquitous Drake missile spam, it has never been elegant or involved an intended game mechanic. Smarties have always been in the game really as an anti drone module.

To introduce missile TC and TE means missile TDs must be coming as a combative ewar to buffed missiles. Has anyone itt looked at TD scripts on Sisi? Or looked at ewar modules on Sisi to see if there is something like this in the database? Because it surely is coming. This will bring a needed balance to an otherwise perilous outright missile buff without much in the way of base stat nerfing to missiles. It is a better way to counter an outright missile buff also since it involves more player actions and tactics. It simultaneously would buff a class of ships that don't get much use, the TD boats.

BTW, you all probably love to complain about Ishtars. The same o7 show said more is coming to the Ishtar. So show some appreciation to Fozzie et al. Hopefully whatever nerf is coming wont kill it. It has nowhere near the reign that the Drake had. And if somehow all this resurrects the Drake hegemony, rest assured it wont last very long.

edit - I do like the one guys suggestion that defender missiles act like flares, and reduce damage application from missiles. Unfortunately it doesn't overcome what appears to be heavy coding issues or the necessity for a launcher slot on the target hull. Better to have the necessary cooperative play of dedicated ewar TD boats imo. Better just to delete defenders from the game. They've never worked well and apparently never will.

As for the kinetic lock, deal with it. Lasers are locked to em therm. Blasters are locked to kinetic therm. Even tech II projectile damage has an explo kinetic lock. The highest damage drones are therm drones. Caldari tech II resists are set to counter that. If Gallente can still deal other damage types with lesser dps drones that is no different from Caldari being able to shoot other damage type missiles at lesser dps against Gallente tech II kinetic resists.

If the kinetic bonuses are to go altogether it would require an entire reworking of damage types in the game in order to be fair to all the other races of ships.

Here is mine


TD's to affect missiles as originally planned many patches ago.

In-game effect you can hit for 0 damage with missiles against smaller targets
imo ... it's a miss
so a weapon system that ALWAYS only ever 'hit' it's target can now miss, but still does not get to do critical hits

when i hit a ship moving 0ms for 60 using a heavy missile or larger i call that a miss

That was my idea. Glad you agree with it, missiles have needed an overhaul for a while as far as how they are coded. So this would simply be a part of that much needed patch. Getting jammed/losing lock should never cause a missile to do no damage, one would assume once fired all the stats it was fired with are now a part of that missile which includes the target lock.
So missiles would get calculated twice
1) When fired they are set with target, speed, duration of burn, hull bonused damage, exp velocity, and exp radius.
2) When they reach the target the target's sig radius, speed, and external factors are calleded and damage is calculated.

Think of the new defender missile as a point blank defense weapon that create a bubble like field as far as the code is concerned. Basically when the missile reaches it's intended target a check is made similar to a current warp disruption bubble. And likewise stacking multiple defender missile flares would just gives you more coverage, not a stronger disruption. And since this form of defense would be charge based and the defense points static would make this defensive module as unique as the weapon system it is meant to counter.

Consider the gameplay that can develop around this: a few ships are fit with these and fly slightly ahead of the fleet creating a chain of flares for their fleet to fly through for protection. Since it is a non-direct defense system it has the potential to be far more powerful than a directed TD could be against larger fleets. It gives it near infinite scaling! Yet the trade off is that it cannot near-perfectly cancel out a ship like a well placed TD can accomplish. Add to this reload times, so the ships launching these would need to communicate to insure coverage and fleet movement.