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New solar system map is terrible
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Mo Marsnow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-06-03 21:14:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mo Marsnow
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I strongly ask to keep the old one.

You must understand that the map is a TOOL not an artwork.
It should regale my mind, not my eye.
It should be useful and make my exploration easy, not hard.

Current version of new map is beautiful, but not useful.
Hope you will rollback it.
Thanks in advance.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2 - 2015-06-03 21:30:39 UTC
Yes, it is. In fact it's one of the worst things they've ever done, worse than the instant tooltip even.

That said, this thread is redundant, and in the wrong place, so expect it to get locked.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mo Marsnow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-06-03 21:38:10 UTC
Have not found similar thread, iv tried.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2015-06-03 22:04:42 UTC
There is a feedback thread some pages down, but this is the lated Dev Blog's comment thread which also was promoted as new main feedback thread by CCP.

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Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#5 - 2015-06-03 22:10:13 UTC
You can still access the old map with F10
Besides, you really should give it constructive feedback if you want change
vikari
Rear Entry Specialists
#6 - 2015-06-03 22:13:07 UTC
Discomanco wrote:
You can still access the old map with F10
Besides, you really should give it constructive feedback if you want change



Give it time...CCP will force this unusable map on us by removing the old one.


CCP: YOUR NEW MAP DOESN'T WORK THAT WELL! WE TOLD YOU BEFORE YOU INTRODUCED IT, AND WE STILL CAN'T PROBE/SCAN WITH THE DAMN THING!
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#7 - 2015-06-03 22:16:52 UTC
Please explain to me how CCP are meant to properly refine it when only 5 people on Sisi use the test map.
It's an optional beta feature that they are improving on, and for a lot of people the new map is already superior since it doesn't take forever to load and can be windowed so you can still fly with it while looking at things.
It's not superior in every way yet, I agree, and some stuff needs work, but don't rage about doom & gloom when they've clearly shown they are still working on it.
Also..... didn't people want probing to be harder, and complained it was all too easy after CCP removed the fight of positioning your probes to start with. Not so much fun now a different UI fight has been added in was it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2015-06-03 22:53:26 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Please explain to me how CCP are meant to properly refine it when only 5 people on Sisi use the test map.


I don't want them to refine it. I want them to scrap it. I know they probably won't, because they are the kings of the sunken cost fallacy, but my opinion of it remains the same.

I won't use it even once all the way until it replaces the old map, and at that point I will simply stop probing at all.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-06-03 23:09:34 UTC
The biggest problem i find is the navigation and the color contrast. Other than that its a basic copy/paste of the old map with some new stuff thrown in.
Aivlis Eldelbar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-06-03 23:32:34 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Please explain to me how CCP are meant to properly refine it when only 5 people on Sisi use the test map.
It's an optional beta feature that they are improving on, and for a lot of people the new map is already superior since it doesn't take forever to load and can be windowed so you can still fly with it while looking at things.
It's not superior in every way yet, I agree, and some stuff needs work, but don't rage about doom & gloom when they've clearly shown they are still working on it.
Also..... didn't people want probing to be harder, and complained it was all too easy after CCP removed the fight of positioning your probes to start with. Not so much fun now a different UI fight has been added in was it.


Well, they got a lot of feedback in the main thread and then implemented almost none of it (round cursor and inertia being the two mai gripes most probers have) while moving it out of beta. I think the mistrust is warranted in this case.
TheNurseUK
BSC LEGION
#11 - 2015-06-04 04:03:57 UTC
I have no issues with scanning and probing with the new map, it works as intended, now if the made the old map windowed then ccp will have actually made a map that whould be awesome for the players who refuse to move with the times. (Except the New Icons on the overview, now thats a stupid move by ccp)
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2015-06-04 06:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Please explain to me how CCP are meant to properly refine it when only 5 people on Sisi use the test map.
It's an optional beta feature that they are improving on, and for a lot of people the new map is already superior since it doesn't take forever to load and can be windowed so you can still fly with it while looking at things.
It's not superior in every way yet, I agree, and some stuff needs work, but don't rage about doom & gloom when they've clearly shown they are still working on it.
Also..... didn't people want probing to be harder, and complained it was all too easy after CCP removed the fight of positioning your probes to start with. Not so much fun now a different UI fight has been added in was it.

It is not on Sisi because of that. Thousands of players test it every day on TQ and the dozens of pages of feedback on the forums in 2 main threads and several (redundant) threads should be more than enough information for CCP to "refine" it. If they can't manage to do so based on that feedback, CCP should think about their capabilities as coders.
It is not optional anymore. It is mandatory in the Show route in Contracts and a couple of other locations.
I can't confirm that the new map takes less time to load. I experience no difference in loading time between the new and old map.
It is certainly not superior in every way, in fact it is inferior in many ways: I cannot zoom into a system as deeply as I can with the old map, the zooming is hideous; it is upside down for several patches now; that I cannot have bookmarks only visible on the solar system level and instead see them all the time is irritating; this wobbling probes when you move around/zoom around is nauseating, only to name a few. (video for demonstration purposes)

@TheNurseUK
CCP seems to share your perception of "to move with the times" and that is why this map is so hideous.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.