Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The thing about BLOPS are you're usually better off just bringing the bombers.

Sure there are the rare occasions where the extra DPS per head matters enough to justify the entry cost of the hull alone but generally.....bombers ftw

I'd like to see them get something unique - as unique as dscan immunity was - but what specifically I'm not sure.

Could do something completely radical like making them into flying cyno inhibitors, or giving them a high slot mod to do it. (I've not thought this through)

Point is there's almost never a reason to jump unless your headcount is low.

It's an anti-conflict driver, I'd like a good reason to see them committed to a fight beyond...DPS shortage. And even then, if DPS is short you're not taking them anyway because the risk is too high. The BLOPS only jump when the level of blob reaches epic proportion.

Titans are a good example as drive bys aside they live condemned to never leave the POS shields, only logged in to punt people around. It is a miserable existence.

We need more reasons to bring things on field to drive conflict and have things blown up.

they are support ships not line ships and that doesn't need to change.


and you don't only see them when blobs reach epic proportion they are far more common in small scale gangs than large ones.


as well most already have something that makes them worth bringing to any fight

Widow - ECM and anti cruiser

Redeemer - excellent logi synergy a couple of legions and it becomes an incredible heavy tackle

panther - awesome range control and is the fastest ship in a blops gang other than t3s(and can sprint faster than a t3)

sin - so many utility highs make it the most versatile blops and one of the best ships in a blops gang at taking out small ships from any range


when you have so many numbers that you don't need to worry about any of these is when you stop seeing blops being dropped into the fight (except from the ones that want to use their toy) when you are small and need the extra force multiplier is when they get brought onto the field.


My blops costs more than my archon and is paper thin so yes i'm going to be smart about when i do and don't use it. This is not anti content just using the right tool for the right job.


i would also you to explain what you mean by anti-conflict driver

every corp ive been in jump at the chance of fielding black ops battleships i dunno how you come to the conclusion people are scared to use them

aye same here hell we even drop when we know we are going to lose if its been a slow night (just did it a bit ago on a Vargur)

So? BLOPs are extremely specialized ships, not multi-broadband-purpose vehicles such as carriers. You cannot field a fleet of BLOPS in the same way as TFI or NavPoc fleets or SlowCats. That is not their role, and it should never be.

indeed kind of apples to oranges

lol what?

not only are caps fielded at almost any opportunity (particularly carriers) but they are used in much much larger fleets


and i would rather blops not turn into mini caps

There is no reason and there should never be a reason.

If you make them so that they can be used in a wider spectrum of activities, such as carriers or other BS, they will inevitably lose what they need do excel in their special role and thus either become OP in most scenarios where normal BS would be used and worse at what they are supposed to do, or they become just as good as other BS but stay unreasonably expensive for that feat and still become worse at their actual role. That's not acceptable.