EVE General Discussion

At the risk of getting flamed.

We already have something like 10 seconds of invulnerability for ships coming out of warp, presumably to let them load grid. Would it be too gamebreaking to extend that to pods as the ship dies?

Thank you for your post!

Let’s assume what you say explains this.
Ok so basically people lose their pods when they see that they are still in a ship but their opponent, do to having a better internet connection or better computer, see they are in a pod. Would you agree that as long as you are spamming warp or autopilot trick there is nothing more you can do as a player? BTW which is better: autopilot or spam warp?


Assuming you can't do anything more than spam warp or use the autopilot trick then it seems the whole business of whether you get a pod kill or not has nothing to do with ability in the game but is really just a matter of what sort of internet or computer you have.

I think that is the inescapable conclusion. But this sort of poisons the game for solo and small gang players in empire. Because it means if you have a good computer or internet connection you can have ships with 50% more armor,(slaves) or 40% more speed(snakes) or 40% more shield boost(crystals) than others. Sure if you are used to flying in fleets where its 50 vs 20 this won't make much difference. But for those of us who like solo and small scale pvp this is really significant.
That is why I posted this originally:



But now let me suggest that perhaps what you explain is not the only problem and the whole thing is may be riddled with problems. The first two scenarios are why I suggested that it seems the pod is responding to a command you actually gave your ship. The third point is just an explanation that the problems go deeper than you describe.

1) After I lose my ship the warp out button is “unpressable.” I realize that due to the session timer change I shouldn't be able to dock or jump through a gate but I should be able to warp. Yet right after my ship explodes the warp out button does not "press." It’s frozen for a couple seconds. This freeze up seems to happen after my ship is lost. So I conclude that perhaps the pod is reacting to a command given while I am in my ship.

2) One time I was fighting a destroyer in a range fit frigate. I started to dip into armor so I warped away. I did a few warps to let my aggession go and then I docked. Well the destroyer was at the station. The ship said it was docking but it didn't dock. I spammed dock. The destroyer locked me. Started firing. My armor went then I went into hull. So I picked a distant celestial and started to spam the warp out button to at least save my pod. Well I ended up in my pod in station. But in my pod with my implants! Now I was glad I had my pod but this should not have happened. This was before incarna so there should have been a 30 second session timer before i could dock. The only explanation I can come to is my pod instantly acknowledged the command I gave my ship.

3) Your explanation doesn't explain what can be very extensive client side lag. One time I was spaming warp for quite a while when I while in structure. I was fighting a merlin without a sensor booster. Now there is no way I was already in my pod when I started spamming warp and the logs verified that. But nevertheless I was podded. Now according to eft a merlin with all level 5 skills should take 3.8 seconds to target a pod. There is no way my spamming the warp button would have left a 3.8 second gap. Some of the warp commands must not have been coming through at all.

In sum even if your explanation is correct the pod mechanics in eve poison the game for solo and small scale pvp in empire. But it’s quite likely that the mechanics are even more problematic than your explanation suggests.

Again I think eve is awesome. The actual ship fights are not determined by these things. But this podding mechanic often causes me to think why should I play this game when it’s more of a test of internet connection than any game ability.
Some people can fly with pirate implants and almost never get podded, others can’t take advantage of those. Don’t you think ccp should look at making this game mechanic reliable? I mean I don’t care if you always lose a pod or if you can always warp out. But eve shouldn’t be just a test of your computer.

Yes, it would. God, you're a scrub.

If you panic, you die. If you rage, you die. If you're in a bubble, you die.

If you calmly hit/spam the warp button and there's no bubble trouble, you live.

That's how it has worked. That's how it should work. Or high-priced implants will only be used by carebears and the game will lose even more of its luster.

OP lost a couple of billion because CCP yet again broke their game with an expansion. (None of the ships on his killmail could have locked him in less than a few seconds.) Fix the game, CCP!

You could argue relying on buggy mechanics as a balance feature is no way to design a game.

Of course, if you argued that, you might as well quit EVE, so...

Not really, they mostly happen because of players getting excited and fumbling with the right click menus, misclicking, and so on.

random guy on twitter 5s ago:

"killed and podded in one second, while STILL in warp, by a smartbomb... i am VERY mad bro. #tweetfleet"
https://twitter.com/#!/RaidEn_EVE/status/145224568091586560

he does not know that:
- client did not knew that user was dead on the server
- user warped -> happy
- died in warp -> very unhappy

with fixed meachnics the would die on the field in the smartbomb and all would be good and interpreted as fair game

but not in warp

In most blobs the actual benefits of the implants don't really matter. Since many eve pvpers just blob others they don't need to bother with them. But for those of us who do small scale or solo pvp the benefits from pirate implants can be very substantial.

Losing them do to unreliable game mechanics can really start to hurt.

don't warp if you don'T want to. you decide. right now its just influenced by server load or client performance.

On a related note. I went from high sec into the worm hole, saw a ganker camping, waited a bit with default cloak then decided best thing to do would be to jump back out.

One session change failure later, my ship is gone but I fortunately managed to warp my pod away.