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[PRESS] Infiltration of Unkn. System; Identification of Hilen Tukoss

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Frenjo Borkstar
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-06-03 08:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Frenjo Borkstar
I am currently broadcasing from J055520, the system containing the Sentinel complex. You can find images here.

Finding Tukoss' body at least gives us some closure. I've found exactly the same thing at this Sentinel complex, albeit slightly renamed to a "Sentinel Hive" and a "Sentinel Vault", I couldn't penetrate the defensive systems, and several Drifters did try to kill me, but I did escape intact.

I'm glad we're all working together here.

Thanks for the assistance: Rob Kaichin, and Monkey 13th.

Viriel,

Borkstar Laboratories,

The Borkstar Initiative.

Inslander Wessette
Unleashed' Fury
The Initiative.
#22 - 2015-06-03 08:41:16 UTC
Could you confirm how many jumps the explorers had to take b4 for making to J174618 from the U-Knw entrance ?

Was there any sight of the massive drifter force covered in Hilen's footage ?

The loss of Hilen Tukoss is sad new. Hopefully we will avenge his loss against this superior and mysterious drifter force.

There are more mysteries to these unidentified wormholes now that capsuleer's can enter it.

-How are they connected ?

-Do all unidentified wormholes in new eden have access to the same cluster of wormholes ? Is this how the "caroline star" anomaly was visible all over new eden ?

-Could the sansha have knowledge of these wormholes before they had appeared to the capsuleers ?

-was Thera part of this cluster and actually got severed from the cluster due to the supernova ?

-By reverse engineering drifter technology we can now influence structures using the entosis module . We merely have stolen this technology, what if the owners of this technology start influencing our structures and use it for their own mass production? They seem to attack capsuleers with the entosis technology already .

I hope DED/SOE have some reassuring news.

Gr8 job guys .
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-06-03 09:07:26 UTC
Hmmm, they didn't take the Jove bodies? Either they would bring the Jove disease with them or they simply don't want them. The classification of one of the structures as a Hive concerns me. Is this coincidence or is it possible we are dealing with some as yet unknown form of sentient drones? Either way we still do not know if the Drifters are hostile towards us or not as yet.
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#24 - 2015-06-03 10:17:06 UTC
So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?
Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
#25 - 2015-06-03 11:07:30 UTC
Feu dAstres wrote:
So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?


Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources

Shitposts so bad CONCORD gave me a 50 billion ISK bounty

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-06-03 11:25:57 UTC
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Feu dAstres wrote:
So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?


Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources


How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps?
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#27 - 2015-06-03 11:54:43 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:


Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources


How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps?

You know, we did try to communicate with them when they showed up in our space, multiple times. Ended up shooting each other, so I guess they don't want to talk to us.

Mr. Wessette,

Was there any sight of the massive drifter force covered in Hilen's footage ?

No, not near the Hive, and not in the system. I can note, though, that Sleeper Drones, Circadian Seekers and Drifters were working together, guarding the complexes.

-How are they connected?

The system had some wormhole connections. Some of them were to k-space, some - to Anoikis. C2 connection, if I remember correct.


Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#28 - 2015-06-03 11:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Feu dAstres wrote:
So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?


Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources


How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps?


We go in their space and people say it's okay for them to shoot us. But when they come in our space, people demand that we don't shoot them. No matter what, apparently we are always the aggressors and the drifters are always the victims.

Whose side are you on?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-06-03 12:30:43 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Lucas Raholan wrote:
Feu dAstres wrote:
So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?


Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources


How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps?


We go in their space and people say it's okay for them to shoot us. But when they come in our space, people demand that we don't shoot them. No matter what, apparently we are always the aggressors and the drifters are always the victims.

Whose side are you on?


They have never yet fired upon me when I've gone past them numerous times at several gates. In open space they have been completely neutral towards me and therefore I have no reason to assume they are aggressive as yet. However should a group of 'explorers' turn up at a station of mine and begin poking around without permission I'd take a pretty dim view of it...

I have taken no side yet as I have yet to determine the intentions of the Drifters. Should they prove dangerous to innocent civilians of the Empires then I will act against them. Until then I stock up in case.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#30 - 2015-06-03 12:38:31 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
However should a group of 'explorers' turn up at a station of mine and begin poking around without permission I'd take a pretty dim view of it...


This is exactly what they have been doing to us.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#31 - 2015-06-03 13:20:40 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:

Pilots will notice the appearance of the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. We regret to report that we were unable to retrieve his corpse for autopsy or investigation. .... We have no theory as to why his medclone failed to activate, or whether he could possibly have his mindstate captured by the Vigilant Tyrannos via an as-yet-unknown method of interdiction.


That is a shame. I hope that his death will not be in vain. May his spirit find eternal balance.

I am still surprised that they haven't harvested his corpse and the medclone activation failure worries me even more. Could it be that they have been more interested in his consciousness than his body? That though scares me even more.

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2015-06-03 13:33:25 UTC
While the discovery of Dr. Tukoss' body is not unexpected considering the message that Scope released recently, I am rather surprised that Drifters have left all those corpses floating around. I can think of 4 reasons why those corpses would not have been harvested.


  1. The corpses are unsuitable and have been rejected for some reason or various reasons.
  2. Drifters have found a better or more preferable source of corpses.
  3. The Drifters have no need for more corpses.
  4. They are a message left for others, as one person said, like a head on a pike.


#1 denotes a weakness in the Drifter biology that could potentially be exploited if we can determine what is unsuitable about those corpses.

#2 seems most likely to me in that we as capsuleers are more than happy to throw ourselves into the grinder for "reasons", thus leaving behind an ample supply of easily retrieved corpses.

#3 This is very troubling to me in that it could mean that they have fulfilled their requirements for bodies. So now what?

#4 This denotes an understanding of the psychology of fear-tactics. But since we as capsuleers generally have nothing to fear aside from the occasional cloning accident, I'm not so sure how effective this would be. In this case, head-on-a-pike would be demonstrative of a rather flawed understanding of capsuleer society. So I'm not so sure this is the correct choice.

At the moment, I am left wondering how long the Drifter harvesting of bodies from Sleeper Enclaves has been going on, if they have indeed been harvesting them.

Another option that occured to me is that the Drifters are Sleepers in new bodies made expressly to replace the old bodies that were destroyed in the early days of w-space exploration.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2015-06-03 13:57:20 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:


This just made my day. That man was a thief and a traitor to his people. He deserved what he got.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2015-06-03 14:22:54 UTC
So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ...

(1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours.

(2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from?
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2015-06-03 14:25:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
Aria Jenneth wrote:
So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ...

(1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours.

(2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from?


(1) Who would want it, even them? the body of a traitor goes to the star dust from wence he sprung, unwept, unhonored and unsung.

(2) Good question.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#36 - 2015-06-03 15:31:32 UTC
one of his messages hinted that he might return to Site One in a 'stolen ---er vessel' ...
Most assumed that he meant Sleeper, I'm not so certain.

his clone hasn't activated because his infomorph data was intercepted and uploaded.
while he may believe that he has stolen a drifter vessel, my biggest concern is that he has yet to realise that he now IS one of them.

if that is the case, they now likely know as much as they need to about us.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Olivandar Nova
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-06-03 16:03:51 UTC
As many of you have noted, Hilen Tukoss' in death did not have his infomorph data uploaded to a new clone. This is perhaps the most troubling turn of events for us capsuleers.

The Empires will war, and bring the cumbersome but collectively powerful machines of war to bare on a collective threat to the stability and most importantly border lines that divide New Eden. An enemy of my enemy may be enough for the empires to align to the defence of the greater good.

However, we are capsuleers. We are an empire unto our own, and our key to power is our immortality. If the reactivation of Dr Tukoss' clone is simply a matter of the Concord controls on multiple clone activation, then this can now be readily resolved by confirming KIA rather than MIA. It was alluded earlier in this conversation however that Concord, with their somewhat clandestine manoeuvring of late regarding the recent Drifter, SOE and Eifyr and Co, may indeed be consciously repressing the activation of Dr Tukoss. I have theories on this, but this is not the arena to discuss them.

What is troubling is this...

From scarce information we have on the Drifters, and the Tyrannos, we can assume they are of Jovian ancestry. Likely this reincarnation of the Jove is in fact the result of a Schism within the Jove culture before our empires were even capable of space flight, and that we are witnessing the emergence, or perhaps reclaiming, of a Jove Empire by the denomination that turned to technology to upload their consciousness to attain unbound freedom from death, time and bodily limitation, rather than the Jove denomination we are familiar with that relied on genetic alteration and that brought us the technology we as capsuleers depend on.

If this is true, and the Tyrannos are indeed of Jove ancestry, it is very likely possible that the Dr Tukoss' infomorph stream was intercepted by the Tyrannos and either destroyed, uploaded or stored.

There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.

So i pose this, the death of Dr Tukoss is a much graver warning than we have first realised. It is a possible warning, intentional or not, that us capsuleers are, for the first time, in mortal danger. I am sure going foward that Concord, or perhaps the Inner Circle will comment, but whether they acknowledge this theory is entirely up for debate.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#38 - 2015-06-03 16:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't.

Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility.


And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#39 - 2015-06-03 16:50:57 UTC
There is another possibility.

One which should be of some concern.

That is, that there is a way, to remotely override a capsule, in such a way as to prevent the normal functions that would trigger the neural scanner.

That is, disabling self-destruct, and disabling the automatic triggering of the neural scanner.

If the Drifters can remotely subvert a capsule, then capsuleers choosing to engage them, should be prepared to use any methods to stop themselves or their comrades being taken alive by the Drifters.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
#40 - 2015-06-03 16:59:43 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't.

Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility.


And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions.


It is not supposed to be possible, but we cannot be certain of this.

and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either.
or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm?

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.