Warfare & Tactics

Remove all local chat. This is supposed to be a hardcore game, after all.

Witcher 3 is ******* amazing, but I digress.

I think no local would be of marginal benefit in low sec or null sec. It's high sec that I think it really is needed. War decs right now are almost completely pointless unless they're against tragically stupid opponents. Why? Because near perfect intel is available to anyone simply by being in the system without any sort of extra work. See a war target in local? Dock up or get ready to gank him with whatever the best rock to his scissors you can find.

Taking away this intel makes the game infinitely more interesting. If you spot a WT on a gate, you have to ask yourself: is this bait? How many of them are there? Dscan and actual intel gathering becomes far more important than just glancing at a screen.

Even in low sec, it would change the nature of pvp, for the better imo. Currently, intel gathering is as easy as sticking an alt in system and watching local fill up, then going for ship types. It's nearly impossible to hide fleets anywhere where they might surprise someone since all staging systems and titan pos are known to everyone and watched constantly, and if you did try and hide in a system to ambush a foe, the only way to do so successfully is to pray one of their scouts doesn't blunder into local, or find a WH that can fit everyone.

Local chat discourages pvp by making it much harder to hide potential surprises that one can use against an opponent. And lets be honest, 99% of people won't engage in EVE unless they're certain they're going to win. Taking away local chat removes that certainty and forces people to sack up a bit if they want to PVP. It wouldn't alter the landscape that much because there would still be alts and dscan and all that other good stuff. But it would at least force some engagements where people don't have perfect information, which makes for interesting gameplay, and it might even make current features much more interesting (mobile scan inhibs would become much more useful). Who knows, people might even start roaming again.

Right so in the spirit of approximate testing, I used the info tab to check some data.

These are times in the game log from undock to dock Osmon Sisters station to to the nearest hysaoda station.

The undock entry in the log pops in as you load grid.

The warp is 6.9AU

I'm in a 2 second align interceptor with a warp speed of 10.44AUs


http://i.imgur.com/cJtHduT.png

24 seconds the first time, 28 seconds on the return leg.

So being kind TWENTY SECONDS for a warp speed fit, instant interceptor to cover 6.9AU from standing and being able to interact on the target grid.

So they only thing that's not able to escape from that, if it's paying attention is a bastioned marauder or a carrier.

Remember I'm even not allowing the time to dscan the warp area first!!


TWENTY SECONDS




@RavenPaine Sometimes you get more traffic on a common route with many entrances into it - Khabi/7Q for example.

I'm arguing that the interceptor in grid before you can escape is an utter falsehood.

Besides, dscan still works, you don't NEED local to survive.


You don't know it's a PvE boat until you start getting shot back (or not). Players have the capacity to trap hunters wholesale but they don't because they're chasing isk - which is fine but pretending the tools aren't there is disingenous.

I know, but if a 2 second align, high grade ascendancy interceptor takes TWENTY seconds (or more, mine was a very short warp) to land and the OP suggested a 5 second lag on local....how long do you think a recon is going to take?

I could get a double 1600 plated bhaalgorn offgrid in the time (12 second align, 3+ seconds to spare) the inty pops into local, never mind a recon, warping half as fast, aligning more than twice as slowly. And that's a DOUBLE PLATED battleship from a standstill.

Thus, if the pilot is paying attention and external factors are not holding them to grid (bastion) it is IMPOSSIBLE to not get into warp when you see a name in local.

In short if you die, YOU did it wrong. The hunter cannot every outplay you, you must make a significant mistake to die.

A 5 second delay in local leaves you STILL needing to make a mistake but narrows the margin of error you have against a pilot that is 100% build for speed and alignment and picks the right anom first time.

Even if this change went in tomorrow, you'd still only die because you weren't paying attention to your surroundings.

So even by your own reckoning it would be no different to how it is right now?

Ok, agreed, therefor there is no point discussing such an ineffectual idea any further.

I would also suggest that if it were effectual, there would be even less reason to discuss it.

Which is unfortunate, since it seems shooting things with no guns fitted is right up your ally.

the ratter is still risking a LOT more than you are, so why do you think the mechanics have to be balanced in your favor?

If they are watching netflix then they wont warp off will they?

I just dont recognise the problem, or why you feel you deserve what is already the easiest avenue to pvp to be even easier for you. its puzzling.

You are hunting people who dont want to pvp. Why should it be easy to catch them if the fight is just going to be a technicality? What is a fair proportion?

These are questions you have yet to answer.

Lots of other people kill bears all the time. Maybe you should ask them?

I would suggest that if people are paying attention, then they should have a very good chance to avoid the fight. if they are watching netflix and you still cant catch them, then thats on you.

You are incorrect. The mechanics are stacked against the farmer.

Scenario 1 - You dont catch the farmer. You lose nothing, he loses nothing.
Scenario 2 - You catch the farmer. You lose nothing, he loses his ship.

There is no realistic scenario where you lose anything. I really cant see why you are complaining.

There are lots of ways to improve your chances already. But i guess you arnt interest in those and would just prefer to blitz from system to system bumrushing every farmer hoping they dont notice you.

Shake off the ADHD, since you are risking nothing in the fight, you should at least have to invest some effort in the hunt.