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Bait killing a malediction
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Olya Vladimer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-06-02 08:18:11 UTC
I have a particular goal in mind and i need a way to bait.

a guy with 4 maledictions killed me in null sec while flying a expensive ratting ship. he goes through systems everyday at random times. now the dilema is he is actually good,

he has killed me twice so i believe i have a good chance of baiting him,
i need a battleship.
it has to be able to kill frigates
and i need to get in range somehow. i believe he does not use a web only points
he multiboxs 4x maledictions all using missiles and is believed to use input broadcasting.

i have been thinking about a armageddon with rapid light missile launchers

if you need more information i believe i can dig up his fit from a killboard

any suggestion will help. i can not fly minmatar battleships but if i have to i can train in a day.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#2 - 2015-06-02 09:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Outside of a bhaalgorn its gonna be hard for you to pin them down in a BS.

The best you can hope for is to neut one out and kill it before he can reactivate his mwd.

[Dominix, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Transverse Bulkhead I
Large Transverse Bulkhead I
Large Transverse Bulkhead I

Warrior II x5

Look for a safe alignment and head towards it.

Start with the scan res script in the sebo, but be prepared to change to a range scipt should he have any damps.

Lock all four up. Try to get one neut on each and set drones any that you do (obviously focus one at a time). If he is multiboxing 4 accounts its also likely he has boosts too so this is a long shot.

Dont point any of them unless you do get a neut on it. Alternatively, if they all establish a safe orbit outside neut range, pick a target and wait with an overheated point. Point it as soon as it enters armour (if you can). Repeat this with the rest if they have not already bailed, or if their backup hasnt arrived.

Your own tank is a slight bait tank, let him chew up your shields, armour and 1/3 of your structure before using your ancil repper.

Always watch your cap, neuts are not overly important in this engagement unless he is an idiot, so just give them one cycle as and when your cap is getting low.

By this time it should be clear if you are killing any of them, if not (assuming he is long point lml fit) hit the MJD and the instant you come out of warp, warp to whatever station or safe you were aligned to immediately.

If he is using scrams, you should use your neuts to clear his tackle (but if he is doing so it should be a lot easier to kill him.

Bring lots of spare drones.

Salvager and tractor beam for the t2 loot (optional)
Olya Vladimer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-06-02 10:09:05 UTC
[Malediction, Malediction]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

that is his fit. he has a targeting range of 39km. also he he is capable with all skills 5 4.9km/s without overheating

he has a 4k EHP the weakest defence is EM, he has a 31km missile range

all 4 fly exactly the same
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#4 - 2015-06-02 10:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
In that case swap your drones out to acolytes and swap the sebo to a omnidirectional tracking link with tracking script. Drones should do over 9k and track reasonably well.

They should die or run very quickly.

If not, just MJD.

Remember, in nearly all other scenareos, this is a terrible fit. As is the problem with most fits that are focused on a single job.
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
Good Sax
#5 - 2015-06-02 11:48:26 UTC
Armageddon.

Although there is a chance he will recognise it as bait.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#6 - 2015-06-02 12:49:49 UTC
I agree the Armageddon has decent drone bonuses and the neut range bonus should do the trick, that said if he knows his stuff I have my doubts that he would go anywhere near a geddon or a Dominix.

Have you considered using yourself as bait (set your usual ratting ship up accordingly) and having some friends at a safe out of probe range in a Curse and a Huginn.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#7 - 2015-06-02 15:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tung Yoggi
Sa Matra is a pretty efficient killing machine.

Unless you try to smartbomb him at a gate, or set up and instalocking camp, you will not kill his maledictions just by baiting in an anomaly. You might however force him out, and possibly kill one inty. Let's see how (in a pure theoritical way)

First, have a closer look at its killboard. It's safe to say that you are possibly ratting in Guristas or Serpentis space, where shield Ishtars, VNIs and Gilas are commonplace. Knowing that you will be tanked for kinetic/thermal damage, he's spitting EM missiles. So first of all, you have to plug this resist hole when you'll undock your bait boat.

Furthermore, maledictions are pretty thin, and i suspect he might not go for really obvious baits like ratting Armaggeddon, or things that will hurt him a lot at range. That rules out a few ships. Look for the ships he d'oent go for (i know, easier said than done)

Lastly, if you find a suitable bait ship, a great plus would be a skirmish Command ship in space, ask your local friends if they are able to provide such boosts.

Having said that, here what i would try:
- Heavy Neut Raven with RLML, long point, faction web, painter
- RLML Tengu, faction web, point, links
- Gecko Rattlesnake with speed modules (something that would be able to catch a MWD malediction, if such a thing is possible with geckos)
- Domi, drone speed mods and so on, however this starts to look fishy.

In short, look harmless, get links, and get yourself some EM resists.
Olya Vladimer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-06-02 21:11:36 UTC
Tung Yoggi wrote:
Sa Matra is a pretty efficient killing machine.

Unless you try to smartbomb him at a gate, or set up and instalocking camp, you will not kill his maledictions just by baiting in an anomaly. You might however force him out, and possibly kill one inty. Let's see how (in a pure theoritical way)

First, have a closer look at its killboard. It's safe to say that you are possibly ratting in Guristas or Serpentis space, where shield Ishtars, VNIs and Gilas are commonplace. Knowing that you will be tanked for kinetic/thermal damage, he's spitting EM missiles. So first of all, you have to plug this resist hole when you'll undock your bait boat.

Furthermore, maledictions are pretty thin, and i suspect he might not go for really obvious baits like ratting Armaggeddon, or things that will hurt him a lot at range. That rules out a few ships. Look for the ships he d'oent go for (i know, easier said than done)

Lastly, if you find a suitable bait ship, a great plus would be a skirmish Command ship in space, ask your local friends if they are able to provide such boosts.

Having said that, here what i would try:
- Heavy Neut Raven with RLML, long point, faction web, painter
- RLML Tengu, faction web, point, links
- Gecko Rattlesnake with speed modules (something that would be able to catch a MWD malediction, if such a thing is possible with geckos)
- Domi, drone speed mods and so on, however this starts to look fishy.

In short, look harmless, get links, and get yourself some EM resists.


how about a megathron navy issue with railguns? they may force him to get under my guns and therefore webbed and scrammed
Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#9 - 2015-06-02 23:24:04 UTC
Rokh with smartbombs
CHAD Stetille
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-06-02 23:28:32 UTC
But now that he read the forum post like everyone else, he will change his fit or tactics as he knows you are ready for him.

BOB is my Co-Pilot.
Damnskippy
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-06-03 02:42:26 UTC
Just rat in whatever you want. Be sure to include a web, scram, MJD and ( if possible ) a heavy nuet into you're fit. Either your antagonist gets into hard tackle range and suffers, or you MJD away and sail off into the night.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-06-03 07:34:26 UTC
just wanted to point out that rlml on those unbonused hulls will most likely fall short if he cruises at 5k
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#13 - 2015-06-03 09:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tung Yoggi
Olya Vladimer wrote:

how about a megathron navy issue with railguns? they may force him to get under my guns and therefore webbed and scrammed


You don't need to go as close as scram range to outtrack large railguns in an inty, sadly.

CHAD Stetille wrote:
But now that he read the forum post like everyone else, he will change his fit or tactics as he knows you are ready for him.


Assuming he does, the whole point is to give tactics based on common ratting ships, and since the OP did post with an alt, I would say he can have a go at him.

Doctor Knuckles wrote:
just wanted to point out that rlml on those unbonused hulls will most likely fall short if he cruises at 5k


Yeah, that's something to consider.

To OP, your best bet is to try and test this with a friend. You can still add range rigs on your ship if RLML don't work.
LordInvisible
Nova Ardour
#14 - 2015-06-03 12:23:02 UTC
You didnt say what battleship you can use, so I'll assume that you have at least 100mil SP with maxxed out skills in appropriate trees.

[Raven, anti-frig]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II
Internal Force Field Array I

EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
True Sansha Warp Disruptor

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Inferno Precision Heavy Missile
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I

Acolyte II x5


Using no implants on lvl5 char with claymore boosting.
43km range on missiles with almost 9km/s speed and explosion radius of 75 (with claymore boosted mwding malediction you are looking at 78m sig radius with two paints on it)
Point goes to 37.7km without heat, so point him just before missiles start hitting.
Use drones on different ship than missiles so it gives him more work to do on two clients.

You have 781 omni tank with one XL ASB.

Possible changes:
- drop one paint for MJD
- drop point for t2 but then you have to OH it
- get crystals if you dont have claymore, faction point with OH then

Or just go with barghest, but I doubt he is gonna come close to that monster..
May Arethusa
Junction Systems
#15 - 2015-06-03 18:48:44 UTC
The answer is in this thread already, though you'd have to apply some logic to find it. Since he was kind enough to introduce me to the idea, I won't tell you how to kill him, but they're pretty easy to catch if you know how. Also, you better hope he doesn't read the forums, eh?
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#16 - 2015-06-03 20:47:17 UTC
It's not worth your time to maybe kill a cheap inty. I promise you, he won't get nearly as salty as you are right now.

Just fly the x-type ishtar like everyone else, it's designed to tank him.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-06-03 22:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Demerius Xenocratus
Don't fly T2 ships with 0% resist holes.

If he really is multiboxing 4 inties that's pretty lame but realistically you are not going to catch maledictions running around at 5k. I'm sure he avoids anything remotely threatening, I can't think of any bait ship that could actually land a web/scram.
Waylan Yutani
SkyLark Insurgency
#18 - 2015-07-19 18:57:27 UTC
Can't you just mjd away from him? It's not like you are 2pt scrammed? Eventually he Will have to commit to the fight 😊
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
#19 - 2015-07-20 13:15:49 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
If he really is multiboxing 4 inties that's pretty lame


Literally my only thought about this whole thing.
Legatus1982
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-07-20 13:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Legatus1982
mjd, web, scram. Maybe another Web if you can fit it. Tp helps and use a booster for tracking or sig radius.

Interceptors have weak tank. Either he can't lock you down because of align -> mjd -> warp, or he will get under your tackle and die horribly to medium drones (I say medium because he is tackled and the mediums will track him).

If necessary put safe spots off grid in the surrounding areas to give yourself more mjd -> warp off targets.

Optionally, fly a geddon or domi and he may not engage at all due to the hull bonuses which will **** all over him. Just make sure you are actually able to apply those bonuses.

Last option, fly a ship that can permanently tank 600 dps universal. Because how much damage are his stupid intys really doing anyway. Even if he's doing 700 he will probably run out of ammo before your bs explodes.

Ultra pricey option, use a ship with a faction scram and scram range bonus with range links and scram his interceptors from 40k for great lulz. (Disclaimer:check the max range on such a setup with the faction scram, not sure how far it really goes).
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