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Idea to create active advancement and actual progression in EVE

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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-06-02 12:38:40 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
This thread is 100% troll and should have been shut down the second it was posted.


It would only be a troll if he intentionally created the thread just to **** you off.
Why don't you take a deep breath, carebear? CCP isn't going to take away your hard-bought advantage . . . unless they decide to cash out. lol

stoicfaux wrote:
You're not the first person to want to monkey with the skill point system.


If he's a genuinely newer player, he wouldn't have known that.
Lord Kittens
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-06-02 12:40:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Lord Kittens wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Reality would like a word with you.

New players already train skills faster than they have at any time in the past, which is a consequence of CCP removing learning skills and changing player attributes to compensate; here's the kicker, hardly any of the "HTFU bittervets" had a problem with CCP doing so, in fact most of us who did have to do learning skills agreed that it was a good thing for the game.

As Omar pointed out, the current rate of skill progression allows people to master the basics before stepping forward. A relative newbie in a shiny BC or BS is a, relatively speaking expensive, killmail waiting to happen because they haven't mastered the basics and don't know how to utilise it effectively.


And yet 50% of new players quit after a month. I don't think anyone is arguing for a system which allows newbies to sit in a BS after two weeks, but IMO something needs to be done with the initial allocation of SP so that new players don't feel completely useless. Inb4 hero tacklers.
Why do 50% of new players quit after a month?

I'd bet real life cash that less than 1% of those that leave do so because of the skillpoint system. It's far more likely that they leave because Eve doesn't follow the standard MMO formula of casting them as a hero and spoon feeding them content. Instead CCP give players the tools to create their own, some people just don't have the imagination to do so.




Neither of us know tbh. I'd bet it's more than 1% though, obviously pure conjecture on both our sides.

I'll leave the OP to continue with this as I only wanted to chip in and the time limit on posting (new account) is annoying.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#63 - 2015-06-02 12:42:39 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
You're not the first person to want to monkey with the skill point system.


If he's a genuinely newer player, he wouldn't have known that.
Going by his character's age he's not a genuinely new player, new to the forums maybe.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#64 - 2015-06-02 13:12:49 UTC
Azeda Ultionis wrote:
One of the things I dislike most about EVE is the skill system. Skill training is strictly based on time.


That's one of the things I love about it, it's one of the most casual friendly things in today's MMO market, where a family man like me doesn't have to become a no lifer just to compete.

To hell with you.

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#65 - 2015-06-02 13:18:36 UTC
As many have said, you could have 80 kajillion skillpoints but if you have no experience you aren't amazing
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#66 - 2015-06-02 13:50:06 UTC
^^^
This. She's right.
Also, as Kaarous has stated, EVE is pretty much the only MMO out there where you can 'level up' while offline.
Plus market stuffs, planetary interactions, industry jobs.

Seriously. You can do more in EVE while not playing than many players do in other MMO's while actively playing.
Frosty mugs of STFU are now 1/2 off.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2015-06-02 13:52:36 UTC
Just so you know, OP, you should be happy to learn you can buy a character for ISK. Literally more than you hoped for.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277

fyi scamming is petitionable and officially prohibited. GMs will help you out if you have trouble.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#68 - 2015-06-02 15:08:36 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:

Frosty mugs of STFU are now 1/2 off.

Hahahah, Big smile love it, I'm well stealing that.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#69 - 2015-06-02 16:16:53 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Crime actually does pay, that's funny. I think OP and the 3h-a-day fella should get together and go ganking.



*laugh snort* Damn it Rain i almost choked on my breakfast

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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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ISD Alliance
#70 - 2015-06-02 16:49:49 UTC
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