EVE General Discussion

One of the things I dislike most about EVE is the skill system. Skill training is strictly based on time. I know it can be manipulated by attribute distribution but that is limited. My issue is a player who pays his sub and keeps his skill que actve can progress just as quickly as a player who actually logs in and plays every day. Add in the fact that you can essentially buy isk and progession is not tied to skill or actual time investment. I know this has probaly been stated a million times and people on both sides of the argument have their points, but I have a potential solution that may work for everyone.

How about introducing skill boost points. These points can be awareded for completing missions, incursions, war kills, pvp kills in low, null, and WH, ... not ganker kills in high sec (crime doesn't pay), etc ... You could even award some points for manufacturing and other industy etc to please those players. Scaling would be important. These skill boost points caould be used to purchase skill boosters. The skill boosters would boost skill training by x% for x% ot time. This would encourage more active gameplay which benefits everyone on all front.

In the past I could log in and change my que every 24 hours and never actually undock, which still gets EVE paid, but doesn't add to gameplay. Now I can set my que up for a year ... EVE still gets paid, but I don't have to participate in the game. The booster system would incentivize people to log in and actually play as their game time would mean progression that means something.

Just my thoughts. I don't mind a grind, but I do believe in reward for my grind.

One of the things I like about Eve is the skill system, it leaves me free to play the game without any grind. If any sort of skill points were awarded for in game activities, then those activities would become a grind.

Eve is much better grind free. (you are free to grind away if you want to but leave those of us who don't want too alone to play the game)

You already have your reward.
You are not being forced to grind. If you're doing it anyway, it's either what you enjoy doing, or the reward is worth it to you.

Whew, thank goodness for that! I'm so glad I can have a life and a job and not get left behind by people who play games for 12 hours a day, like all those other grind-to-level-up games out there.

We in nullsec will be happy to power-level our newbros into SP monsters. I'm sure nobody will have a problem with that or complain about that advantage.

No, too exploitable and undermines a unique system
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Oooh! A snowflake!
Oh.
It's gone.

And in other news, stop trying to kill boars for experience.
It doesn't work here.

The beauty of EvE is that you are not punished for persueing a particular career in space - PvE (be it rock shooting or red cross shooting or box hacking), PvP (Be it attacking every ship that crosses your path, or selective targetting), or even just cruising space staring at the nebulae, you advance the same speed as everyone else.

Any "skill point" gain from specific activities would force players in to adjusting their playstyle to maximise efficiency, and punish those unwilling to do so, and either way is introducing not-fun in to their day (either by forcing them to chance how they play, or making them aware they are losing out by not doing so).

Even had your specific example not deliberately punished certain groups and playstyles (which it did, why should highsec gankers be singled out?), it would still accidentally punish people for preferences (why should Providence PvPers get less XP than Goon ones, which they would due to them being far more selective in their targetting of neutrals entering their space? Why should the lowsec frigate-roamer get less xp because he takes every fight and loses considerably more than the small-gang with hotdrop support who never takes a fight they might lose? Why should the logistics pilot or the fleet booster that's the core of the fleet get less xp than the dps pilot with split guns?)

Besides, any mechanic system that gives advantages for certain activities can be gamed, and most certainly would be. I can tell you for certain we would figure out how to hyperfarm xp for our newbies and capital/supercapital alts, and we wouldn't be alone in that.



And you are. Isk is the reward for grind, the fact the grind is detached from advancement means that it is the players choice whether to grind or not, those that enjoy it get rewarded for it, those that don't aren't punished for not doing it (besides having tighter purse strings).

Advancement and progress in EVE are action-based rather than game dictated. Reaching "Capitalship 5" is not advancement. If you want a big (formerly bad-ass) ship needing it; then putting yourself in a situation where you can buy/own one can be called progression.

In a themepark game, the mechanics dictate progression and advancement and informs you of such (big flashy stars, pink unicorns dancing etc). Whether you think you advanced or made some form of progression is irrelevant.

In a sandbox you decide what you want to advance in and progress to today. Whether or not you actually do, is something you will also have to evaluate yourself. The game will not tell you.
That may require undocking ofcourse. And unlike you originally planned, it might actually be the other guy advancing and progressing all over you.

Today that is....

There are some ways of pretending tho. This is a sandbox after all and if you yourself are responsible of coming up with milestones we may be able to use the sand to make a milestone/castle looking like we want:

- Agent standing - ranges from 0.00 to 10.00 (10 levels)
- ISIS - mastery ranges from 1 to 5 (5 levels)
- Researched blueprints - thousands (every marketcategory in researched BPC's is a level)
- Owning a specimen of every factionship - lots - every faction is a level (10 levels?)

Honestly I don't want to grind for SP.

Grinding for ISK is bothersome enough. Mission are boring, Mining is Boring, I'll only do it I absolutely need ISK. Giving out SP for PVP is silly and easily exploitable.


ASIDES FROM THAT.


SP isn't everything.

Just because I have 35mil in SP doesn't mean I can beat every 20mil SP player. There are few that I've come across that would throughly and soundly send my ass to the floor, who also have less SP then me.

Don't let the so called "SP Wall" get you down. People who religiously tell you you can't beat somebody because your SP is to low are idiots and have less understanding of the game then me. And that's saying something. XD

But really. If you are intelligent, learn the game, learn the real Skills of EVE you will excel so fast your SP counter won't be able to keep up.

Just knowing that somebody got thousands of customers to make monthly payments for something they almost never use brings a tear of admiration to my eye!