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Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#21 - 2015-06-01 22:42:53 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Kazaheid Zaknafein wrote:
The problem is not if the PS4 can run it. It lies in the fact that PS4 is NOT a PC or a Mac. Linux isnt "officially" supported and it is on the same coding path as a Mac. They would have to not only port to the PS4 but also run an extra layer of compatibility for every patch.

And Dust does not directly influence eve, they use a proxy to negotiate inter-game interactions.

Eve would take up about 1/10 of the PS4 HDD.

Not to mention that CCP would have to pay to have server access, and pay to distribute updates.

For the sake of argument, why not be able to run eve on smartphones and tablets, they can handle the load too; Eve was designed to be run on a toaster.


its funny, I don't search for non supporters here, so your comment is sensless... why do you guys always search for threads where you disagree and explain in long comments why? ...I'm searching for people to make it happen and come up with ideas to make it happen, no sayer can leave... do you act like this in real life as well? telling people with ideas what is not possible and why... you guys sure come far in life, its really amusing


translated into eve language:

wahhhh wahhh wahh wahhh wahh
wahh wahh

you dont get to pick and choose who comments on these threads, their an open forum for everyone, so you get both, the difference is none of your posts seem to attract anyone with positive ideas for it, because the negatives so far outweigh them and then you refuse to see it.

to list a few
- Coding nightmares
- Costs and investments
-limited access to patches
-serious server lag
-even more serious Tidi
-expenditures
-CCP Develops PC games, and they are not openly in the Ps4 Market
- Sony Control of game

Now the only good thing youve posted so far is
- access to eve from PS4's

8/1 odds are not betting odds, and i bet there are way more negatives to this than 8

And if you really think in reality business and people alike dont look at what is or isnt possible, well then i shall play a sad violin for you sir

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Jasmine Cheryu
Sell Now - Cry Later
#22 - 2015-06-01 22:57:31 UTC
Serious answer (coming from my short knowledge of programming and computers):

CCP will have to share profits with Sony and they will have to do extra testing on the PS4 and typical PC setups to ensure compatibility between clients and server.

This in itself is a HUGE task for each patch (which is every 6 weeks now I believe..)
That being said, as a huge eve player, always supporting quality over quantity, I would prefer my subscription money I pay to CCP for my large amount of accounts to go towards improving the game they currently have, as opposed to wasting time, man hours and resources on building something which, potentially in the longrun, may cause more problems for CCP as a company, than help them.

The idea of having a console game for eve is a nice idea, but the practical application of it is monumental job.


Consider the following:
PC's are adaptable (especially windows PC's.. not MAC's [sorry mac users])
Therefore they are easy to modify (I expect you will find MANY EVE players with custom PC's, built and sometimes modded by themselves, because we know what we are doing)
This leads to all players who, like most eve players, take quality of game play and performance OVER anything else.
This means that eve players can keep their computers up to date with newly released software in the form of eve patches, by improving hardware on their machine...

With a console you cannot do this.. therefore it is a limiting factor.


TL;DR:
Imagine if EVE did work on the PS4.. and then there was a patch where the graphics were improved, which drastically challenged the hardware of the PS4.
What then? (that is just one of many examples)
Kazaheid Zaknafein
Zaknafein Tactical Reconnaissance
#23 - 2015-06-01 23:08:22 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Kazaheid Zaknafein wrote:
The problem is not if the PS4 can run it. It lies in the fact that PS4 is NOT a PC or a Mac. Linux isnt "officially" supported and it is on the same coding path as a Mac. They would have to not only port to the PS4 but also run an extra layer of compatibility for every patch.

And Dust does not directly influence eve, they use a proxy to negotiate inter-game interactions.

Eve would take up about 1/10 of the PS4 HDD.

Not to mention that CCP would have to pay to have server access, and pay to distribute updates.

For the sake of argument, why not be able to run eve on smartphones and tablets, they can handle the load too; Eve was designed to be run on a toaster.


its funny, I don't search for non supporters here, so your comment is sensless... why do you guys always search for threads where you disagree and explain in long comments why? ...I'm searching for people to make it happen and come up with ideas to make it happen, no sayer can leave... do you act like this in real life as well? telling people with ideas what is not possible and why... you guys sure come far in life, its really amusing


Its a forum, which implies discussion. If you dont like negative feedback dont post.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#24 - 2015-06-01 23:34:32 UTC
Yeah porting a mouse controlled 2003 legacy coded game onto a PS4 and keeping it maintained while not hindering PC versions is easy thing.

And it is totally worth it for the 8000 people on PS4 that aren't complete casuals and do not own PC.

A project that would cost millions upon millions and bring in 100k/month before any fees or taxes.
At least we won't have to worry about piracy.

Can you imagine?? Eve without piracy?? LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

Everyone is laughing at you OP, your display of stupidity and cluelessness borders on a possibility of trolling. Roll

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#25 - 2015-06-01 23:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
This idea is pretty bad. Perhaps one of the worst in recent memory. It doesn't help that your reaction to negative feedback is quite this amusing.

I shall now proceed to heat up the proverbial bag of popcorn in anticipation of further responses to aforementioned negative feedback.

There are all our dominion

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-06-02 00:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Harry Forever wrote:

its typical of the eve community to know the answers right away why things are not possible, you guys just drag the game down



community has a few people in the technical side of the world.


Your best bet for "console" eve will be steam machine. If valve puts this on steam os at some point. As steam to be different is trying to make their stuff as seamless as possible. Note its valve and their designated vendors making this happen.

Unlike sony, M$, Nintendo. Who in case you didn't notice go out their way to keep it in the family.

You are also assuming it has to be ps4. Since we had a rash of upgrade eve graphics, dx mentioned specifically....well then why not an xbone client. We can assume it will run latest dx pretty damn good. hardware and console os made by m$, they will make that shine I imagine. Enter the slippery slope. Most consoles only get exclusives for a short time. At some point its open season.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-06-02 02:32:40 UTC
iOS client please

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2015-06-02 08:56:41 UTC
Kazaheid Zaknafein wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Kazaheid Zaknafein wrote:
The problem is not if the PS4 can run it. It lies in the fact that PS4 is NOT a PC or a Mac. Linux isnt "officially" supported and it is on the same coding path as a Mac. They would have to not only port to the PS4 but also run an extra layer of compatibility for every patch.

And Dust does not directly influence eve, they use a proxy to negotiate inter-game interactions.

Eve would take up about 1/10 of the PS4 HDD.

Not to mention that CCP would have to pay to have server access, and pay to distribute updates.

For the sake of argument, why not be able to run eve on smartphones and tablets, they can handle the load too; Eve was designed to be run on a toaster.


its funny, I don't search for non supporters here, so your comment is sensless... why do you guys always search for threads where you disagree and explain in long comments why? ...I'm searching for people to make it happen and come up with ideas to make it happen, no sayer can leave... do you act like this in real life as well? telling people with ideas what is not possible and why... you guys sure come far in life, its really amusing


Its a forum, which implies discussion. If you dont like negative feedback dont post.


I don't need people to discuss I need people who come up with ideas to make it happen, you will not come up with ideas neither make it happen thats for sure, thanks for letting us know...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2015-06-02 08:57:53 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
This idea is pretty bad. Perhaps one of the worst in recent memory. It doesn't help that your reaction to negative feedback is quite this amusing.

I shall now proceed to heat up the proverbial bag of popcorn in anticipation of further responses to aforementioned negative feedback.


so basically you say no, thanks for letting me know you are useless for this project

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2015-06-02 08:59:03 UTC
Arya Regnar wrote:
Yeah porting a mouse controlled 2003 legacy coded game onto a PS4 and keeping it maintained while not hindering PC versions is easy thing.

And it is totally worth it for the 8000 people on PS4 that aren't complete casuals and do not own PC.

A project that would cost millions upon millions and bring in 100k/month before any fees or taxes.
At least we won't have to worry about piracy.

Can you imagine?? Eve without piracy?? LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

Everyone is laughing at you OP, your display of stupidity and cluelessness borders on a possibility of trolling. Roll


ok one more "no" again, thanks for not contributing any ideas to make it happen... you can go on saying no to other threads now, keep up the good work very inspiring

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2015-06-02 09:03:26 UTC
Jasmine Cheryu wrote:
Serious answer (coming from my short knowledge of programming and computers):

CCP will have to share profits with Sony and they will have to do extra testing on the PS4 and typical PC setups to ensure compatibility between clients and server.

This in itself is a HUGE task for each patch (which is every 6 weeks now I believe..)
That being said, as a huge eve player, always supporting quality over quantity, I would prefer my subscription money I pay to CCP for my large amount of accounts to go towards improving the game they currently have, as opposed to wasting time, man hours and resources on building something which, potentially in the longrun, may cause more problems for CCP as a company, than help them.

The idea of having a console game for eve is a nice idea, but the practical application of it is monumental job.


Consider the following:
PC's are adaptable (especially windows PC's.. not MAC's [sorry mac users])
Therefore they are easy to modify (I expect you will find MANY EVE players with custom PC's, built and sometimes modded by themselves, because we know what we are doing)
This leads to all players who, like most eve players, take quality of game play and performance OVER anything else.
This means that eve players can keep their computers up to date with newly released software in the form of eve patches, by improving hardware on their machine...

With a console you cannot do this.. therefore it is a limiting factor.


TL;DR:
Imagine if EVE did work on the PS4.. and then there was a patch where the graphics were improved, which drastically challenged the hardware of the PS4.
What then? (that is just one of many examples)


you could just have said: "I don't think its possible"

however like many others here, I only care about ideas to make it happen, I never discuss with nosayers, they get nothing done because they only see why things are not possible and therefore don't achive anything new

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-06-02 09:27:57 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I got a mouse and keyboards attached to my PS4 so there should not be any issues with the controls, as the PS4 is a PC anyway I guess doing a client should be not too difficult either.


Dirty console peasant...
Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#33 - 2015-06-02 10:51:27 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I don't need people to discuss I need people who come up with ideas to make it happen, you will not come up with ideas neither make it happen thats for sure, thanks for letting us know...

Remember the title of this sub-forum? "Features & Ideas Discussion". Ideas are meant to be discussed. An idea which cannot stand controversy is a bad idea an so is yours.

Harry Forever wrote:
[...], as the PS4 is a PC anyway I guess doing a client should be not too difficult either.

And a linux-based OS on a PC is still a PC, and we still don't have a linux client, while having asked for years. Guess why? Because porting and maintaining a software on more than one architecture is pretty much a hassle. And Mac users are actually really lucky to have a game-client.

French half-noob.

Non, je ne suis pas gentil.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2015-06-02 11:32:59 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I don't need people to discuss I need people who come up with ideas to make it happen, you will not come up with ideas neither make it happen thats for sure, thanks for letting us know...

Remember the title of this sub-forum? "Features & Ideas Discussion". Ideas are meant to be discussed. An idea which cannot stand controversy is a bad idea an so is yours.

Harry Forever wrote:
[...], as the PS4 is a PC anyway I guess doing a client should be not too difficult either.

And a linux-based OS on a PC is still a PC, and we still don't have a linux client, while having asked for years. Guess why? Because porting and maintaining a software on more than one architecture is pretty much a hassle. And Mac users are actually really lucky to have a game-client.


again, to tell me why it's not possible is no discussion neither an idea, its just people holding everybody up from making it happen

you guys why not create your own thread discussing about all things that are not possible and why, you sure find a lot of company in here... see ya o/

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-06-02 12:00:00 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
...
again, to tell me why it's not possible is no discussion neither an idea, its just people holding everybody up from making it happen

you guys why not create your own thread discussing about all things that are not possible and why, you sure find a lot of company in here... see ya o/


The problem here is that those saying no are perfectly valid in doing so. The game has a PC client, this needs constant work from the devs to patch and maintain. To create a new client would take those dev away from important work and put them onto a niche client (and of course then every console player would want a client for their preferred platform).

Taking the devs away from the core of the game affects those of us who do not use a PS4, indeed I would bet that 99.9% of those with a PS4 also have a laptop/PC capable of running EVE. Under the current client that means that 99.9% of people can play the game. This would waste devs time whilst meaning they would then have to do twice the work to maintain two clients.

You wanted discussion of the idea, those points made against it are part of that discussion and you can't simply ignore them because they do not support the idea.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2015-06-02 12:11:07 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
...
again, to tell me why it's not possible is no discussion neither an idea, its just people holding everybody up from making it happen

you guys why not create your own thread discussing about all things that are not possible and why, you sure find a lot of company in here... see ya o/


The problem here is that those saying no are perfectly valid in doing so. The game has a PC client, this needs constant work from the devs to patch and maintain. To create a new client would take those dev away from important work and put them onto a niche client (and of course then every console player would want a client for their preferred platform).

Taking the devs away from the core of the game affects those of us who do not use a PS4, indeed I would bet that 99.9% of those with a PS4 also have a laptop/PC capable of running EVE. Under the current client that means that 99.9% of people can play the game. This would waste devs time whilst meaning they would then have to do twice the work to maintain two clients.

You wanted discussion of the idea, those points made against it are part of that discussion and you can't simply ignore them because they do not support the idea.


with people like you, eve would not have happened at all... too much work, thats all what you are saying

the only thing why it would not work is because you guys don't come up with solutions

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-06-02 12:28:03 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
...
again, to tell me why it's not possible is no discussion neither an idea, its just people holding everybody up from making it happen

you guys why not create your own thread discussing about all things that are not possible and why, you sure find a lot of company in here... see ya o/


The problem here is that those saying no are perfectly valid in doing so. The game has a PC client, this needs constant work from the devs to patch and maintain. To create a new client would take those dev away from important work and put them onto a niche client (and of course then every console player would want a client for their preferred platform).

Taking the devs away from the core of the game affects those of us who do not use a PS4, indeed I would bet that 99.9% of those with a PS4 also have a laptop/PC capable of running EVE. Under the current client that means that 99.9% of people can play the game. This would waste devs time whilst meaning they would then have to do twice the work to maintain two clients.

You wanted discussion of the idea, those points made against it are part of that discussion and you can't simply ignore them because they do not support the idea.


with people like you, eve would not have happened at all... too much work, thats all what you are saying

the only thing why it would not work is because you guys don't come up with solutions


Clearly you are simply trolling as I was pointing out the reasons why this would be a bad idea. The reality is that with this idea you would dilute developer time on the core of the game, meaning that many patches would never happen at all. As it is with the clients for PC/MAC we see a really good turnover of patch releases now. I'd rather that than have another client to maintain for a niche that will be replaced when the next iteration of that platform is released.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2015-06-02 12:38:03 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
...
again, to tell me why it's not possible is no discussion neither an idea, its just people holding everybody up from making it happen

you guys why not create your own thread discussing about all things that are not possible and why, you sure find a lot of company in here... see ya o/


The problem here is that those saying no are perfectly valid in doing so. The game has a PC client, this needs constant work from the devs to patch and maintain. To create a new client would take those dev away from important work and put them onto a niche client (and of course then every console player would want a client for their preferred platform).

Taking the devs away from the core of the game affects those of us who do not use a PS4, indeed I would bet that 99.9% of those with a PS4 also have a laptop/PC capable of running EVE. Under the current client that means that 99.9% of people can play the game. This would waste devs time whilst meaning they would then have to do twice the work to maintain two clients.

You wanted discussion of the idea, those points made against it are part of that discussion and you can't simply ignore them because they do not support the idea.


with people like you, eve would not have happened at all... too much work, thats all what you are saying

the only thing why it would not work is because you guys don't come up with solutions


Clearly you are simply trolling as I was pointing out the reasons why this would be a bad idea. The reality is that with this idea you would dilute developer time on the core of the game, meaning that many patches would never happen at all. As it is with the clients for PC/MAC we see a really good turnover of patch releases now. I'd rather that than have another client to maintain for a niche that will be replaced when the next iteration of that platform is released.


just your opinion, may games get patched all the time on ps4, thats no problem, you just want to see it that way

further comments not needed as you anyway won't help for the developement of the idea, thanks

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#39 - 2015-06-02 12:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
you show you have no idea of programming or tech past turning something on.

you also have no idea in the use of forums which shows your ignorance.

You don't come here and go "hey guys I have a mouse and keyboard on my ps4 so we should be able to play eve on it because you know, its a computer"

you have to build a platform of ideas to get creative feedback not insulting people that comment.

By your low amount of logic and processing capability a character switch button that players have been wanting for years should be easy and not "it would take a handful of devs 6 months for a 15 second advantage" per CCP cause you know, the coding is a nightmare and they didn't bother to learn the old code from old employees and chassed all of the old coders off.

I shall now sit here in class eating my popcorn.

PS. this had made the bad thread of of the day for sure, more then likely the week and it will be entering the finals for bad thread of the month for not only a bad idea that would be worth the amount of money and the lack of returns it would get but the OP's rash and quick responses of insults.

P.P.S. Your games get patched all the time on PS4 because they are PS4 games and are therefore licensed to be patched, Eve is not a PS4 Licensed game and therefore every patch/fix/ so called expansion that they do would be delayed for PS4 and since they do so many you wouldn't get to play much eve at all so you could just go ahead and log off now and see what playing eve on PS4 would be like.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Leliana Cami Cotte
Daylight's Burning
#40 - 2015-06-02 13:16:37 UTC
"WHATS UP, B****ES?!Q?!?!?!?!?!??!?! I R L33T. Y R NEUB! U MAD BRO? I DID YOUR MAMA!!!!"

/sarcasm.

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