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This is what eve si coming to: This is what CODE is: Pathetic.

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Azn
Doomheim
#141 - 2015-06-02 12:07:46 UTC
Elspeth Tezzeret wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
hey, why not stay out of other peoples mails huh, nosey parker


No, this has to stop

this is not "game play"

this is full on griefing, end of story

and i have the permission of the person whose mail it is


Nubling. You don't deserve a corp. Hell, you don't deserve a nub.

The only alt allowed to post in C&P

Black Pedro
Mine.
#142 - 2015-06-02 12:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Such poor sportsmanship. You know, if a high school basketball team loses by 50 points they are still expected to go out and shake hands with their opponents afterwards.


In high school basketball, one team doesn't start out with three times as many players and submachine guns.

In Eve we all start out with just 5000 ISK and a rookie ship. What happens next is your choice and your actions will dictate the path you will take. Consequences! Some of us choose to become hunters and prey on our fellow capsuleers, while others become great resource gatherers and industrialists dodging or repelling this first group that wish them harm. Still others make poorer choices and end up as loot pinata haulers or AFK miners and leave their assets unprotected in space, or perhaps as in the case of the OP, recruit an enemy into the fold and are destroyed.

Who ever wins at this great sandbox we call Eve deserves to be congratulated as despite how seriously some take this game, it is still just a game.

Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:
You're perfectly free to gank people, and I hope that CODE continues to. I, personally, look forward to the day when I can kill the hapless with the best of them! But don't be a jerk and expect or demand that they kiss your *** afterwards; You are killing people in onesided fights! Own up to it! Recognize that in their eyes you are playing the villain and accept the delicious tears and hate that comes with it. Asking the nerd whom you have just swirlie'd to thank you for the pleasure is gross. That's bully behavior and goes above and beyond simply ganking.
The New Order would not be credible villains if we just offered hugs and kind words after a gank. But for the record, it is not "bully behavior" to ask people to remain polite and show some manners after a contest of wills such as takes place during a suicide gank.

What does cross the line are the personal insults up to and including racial and homophobic slurs, and even death threats, that are routinely thrown at gankers by people who have just lost some space pixels in a video game. You don't have to like having your stuff exploded, but you really should try to keep some perspective and be a good sport. This is just a game so people who have just been ganked should try to channel that anger into plotting some delicious in-game revenge rather than the more typical EULA-breaking personal insults they usually reach for.
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#143 - 2015-06-02 12:33:53 UTC
This is what eve is coming to: This is what CODE is: Pathetic.



You have only just noticed? Twisted

uɐıssnɹ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uɐɔ ı ʇnq ʎɹɹos ɯ,ı

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#144 - 2015-06-02 12:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Black Pedro wrote:
What does cross the line are the personal insults up to and including racial and homophobic slurs, and even death threats, that are routinely thrown at gankers by people who have just lost some space pixels in a video game. You don't have to like having your stuff exploded, but you really should try to keep some perspective and be a good sport. This is just a game so people who have just been ganked should try to channel that anger into plotting some delicious in-game revenge rather than the more typical EULA-breaking personal insults they usually reach for.
Totally.

If people put as much effort and passion into their gameplay as they did into vilifying, threatening and abusing the guy who just exploded their ship because they weren't paying attention; their game experience would be much more rewarding.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#145 - 2015-06-02 12:43:35 UTC
I've been called a terrorist, a member of al-qaeda, a member of ISIS, and several other nasty things by people I've interacted with.
It's sad really, because often times it's pretty offensive stuff, even to a middle aged white guy like me.
I'm hard to offend, but racial and religious slurs will make it happen.
On the other hand it does instantly and irrevocably assuage any possible guilt I may have felt for messing with them in the first place. I just don't like toxic people.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#146 - 2015-06-02 13:09:29 UTC
Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:

The average industrial corporation is as big as CODE?


The most I've ever seen on the minerbumping channel at once is 78 people.

So... yep.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#147 - 2015-06-02 13:11:49 UTC
code are all -10.0, people dont even get shot by concord for shooting them yet they die when they shoot someone else, how fair is that

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#148 - 2015-06-02 13:12:54 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've been called a terrorist, a member of al-qaeda, a member of ISIS, and several other nasty things by people I've interacted with.
It's sad really, because often times it's pretty offensive stuff, even to a middle aged white guy like me.
I'm hard to offend, but racial and religious slurs will make it happen.
On the other hand it does instantly and irrevocably assuage any possible guilt I may have felt for messing with them in the first place. I just don't like toxic people.


You haven't made it until a fox news nutcase declares you are a CIA front.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#149 - 2015-06-02 13:27:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[edit: Oh, and as for "the laws of privacy". Smith vs Maryland, 1979. Owned.
Content is in Iceland. Blink CCP izzz da LAW ! Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#150 - 2015-06-02 13:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Note that I don't even have my alliance under my name or in my signature? Roll
Smart, as it got you into enough trouble so far Twisted

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
"Win or lose, I will not stand again."
If I take a leave of my senses on any CSM election in the future, please feel free to save this post and quote it repeatedly...... I am even more adamant that CSM is a waste of time, effort and money.

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#151 - 2015-06-02 13:35:07 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[edit: Oh, and as for "the laws of privacy". Smith vs Maryland, 1979. Owned.
Content is in Iceland. Blink CCP izzz da LAW ! Twisted


The case I mentioned establishes the precedent that an American citizen cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy in electronic communications carried by a neutral third party.

It applies so long as one party is a U.S. citizen, basically.

The general meaning of what you quoted is to mock the concept of "the laws of privacy", of which there are none.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#152 - 2015-06-02 13:47:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I've been called a terrorist, a member of al-qaeda, a member of ISIS, and several other nasty things by people I've interacted with.
It's sad really, because often times it's pretty offensive stuff, even to a middle aged white guy like me.
I'm hard to offend, but racial and religious slurs will make it happen.
On the other hand it does instantly and irrevocably assuage any possible guilt I may have felt for messing with them in the first place. I just don't like toxic people.


You haven't made it until a fox news nutcase declares you are a CIA front.


Give me time. I'm still trying here.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2015-06-02 14:07:22 UTC
If you are incapable of making use of the many many in game mechanics to avoid being ganked, then why not just buy a permit and obey the code?
It costs 10 million for one year. That's less than the hold value of 2 mackinaw cycles even at today's low mineral prices.
It takes literally 1 hour per year to cover the permit cost.
A gank of even a crap ship and no implants costs more, and that assumes you only get ganked once per year.

It's ok to have an ego and want to stand up to the code, the problem is you have to actually stand up to the code, just mouthing off isn't sufficient. Your ship will explode. If you are going to shun the code expect your resolve to be tested by those who are prepared to die for a just cause that they believe in. In short agents of the CODE are prepared to put on the line what you aren't. Bow down or suffer the consequences. Crying about it is a payout of a tithe in tears worth way more to them than the 10 million permit cost. You will pay in one currency or the other. It's not a question of if, but only when and how often.

What right do they have to do this? Superior force of arms and the will to take action. These two simple factors trump every bitter salty tear posted since the dawn of Tranquility. If you are crying over a gank, you are the problem, not someone else.

For me it's Darwin in space. The idiots explode, because their egos stand in the way of the logic. Evolve or face assisted extinction.
Leliana Cami Cotte
Daylight's Burning
#154 - 2015-06-02 14:10:35 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
If you are incapable of making use of the many many in game mechanics to avoid being ganked, then why not just buy a permit and obey the code


I'm starting ForumCode. Everyone has to pay me 10m to post in the forums.

Lookie, I found where to edit my Signature!

virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2015-06-02 14:13:31 UTC
What do you intend to do to enforce that?
Without enforcement it's meaningless. With enforcement it becomes powerful.
You literally could enforce it with sufficient will, as long as CCP decided it wasn't against the rules.
I would love to see it done :)
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#156 - 2015-06-02 15:23:05 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
As a self-proclaimed industrialist, but not a carebear, I of course am not fond of CODE. play-style, but I respect their right to exist and have fun in their own way.
Shhh...

Us non carebear bears are a myth as far as some of our "contemporaries" are concerned.


We need a new animal, as 'bears' are tainted.

I choose to be known as a "CareBison" from now on.



I call dibs on CareBull.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#157 - 2015-06-02 15:27:24 UTC
Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Our biggest resource is people, so yes, the "average" industrial player / corporate entitiy does have access.


The average industrial corporation is as big as CODE? If not, then no- No they do not have access to the same level of resources that their opponents do. This doesn't make it /wrong/ to kill the industrials, and might even make it /right/ to kill them... But it is /not/ an even playing field.


Step One: Make friends outside of your corp.
Step Two: Ask to fleet with them for mining ops.
Step Three: Realize that we all play on one server so we all can know each other.

Saying you have limited resources is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read about player interaction in... well, forever. The ONLY limit you have is how many people play EvE and how many actually want to befriend you.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#158 - 2015-06-02 15:51:28 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Our biggest resource is people, so yes, the "average" industrial player / corporate entitiy does have access.


The average industrial corporation is as big as CODE? If not, then no- No they do not have access to the same level of resources that their opponents do. This doesn't make it /wrong/ to kill the industrials, and might even make it /right/ to kill them... But it is /not/ an even playing field.


Step One: Make friends outside of your corp.
Step Two: Ask to fleet with them for mining ops.
Step Three: Realize that we all play on one server so we all can know each other.

Saying you have limited resources is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read about player interaction in... well, forever. The ONLY limit you have is how many people play EvE and how many actually want to befriend you.


Well said.

"Even playing field". Every time I see that I do a double take, because EVE isn't a MOBA. That phrase illustrates a big part of the dysfunction and disconnect the 'carebears' experience when dealing with the realties of the game like CODE or Goons or war decs etc. They all have this totally misplaced (in EVE at least) sense of 'fairness' that they can't seem to overcome.

Those of us who engage in similar activities (like PVE) and refrain from other activities (I don't gank and such) who don't have that misplaced expectation of fairness in a very 'asymmetrical' game get along much better with everything. We KNOW the people we are playing against (like awoxxers and gankers and scammers) aren't going to adhere to any rules but the EULA, and we plan accordingly.

That includes learning how the 'bad guys' (think through honest assessment, not the hurf blurf "they want me to play their way/leave high sec" BS some people mentally rely on) so you can avoid putting yourself in a bad situation.

The TL;DR of all that is that the term 'carebear' has nothing to do with whether or not a player PVEs or PVPs, rather it means "bad player who is a bad player because his mentality is wrong for the arena he's chosen to play in and he can't separate his emotions from his logic"



Us CareBisons and CareBulls along with a few CareButterflys and a single CareBaboon have been trying to teach the 'bears' the true ways of EVE, but they don't wanna learn so we're gonna kick them out of the CareAnimal Kingdom Cool
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2015-06-02 15:59:39 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Is anyone else bothered by 'awoker'?

The guy's name was Awox


Perhaps it is a genetically engineered combination of an ewok and an Awoxer?

Oh man, that image makes me happy Big smile
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-06-02 15:59:53 UTC
Some of the best advice I ever got in game was to join the minerbumping channel. I can't imagine trying to play EvE without being in that channel. The best in game social interaction I've ever experienced.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.