Ships & Modules

You guys are trying to discuss about something that have nothing to be compared.

Why Arty or Tach/Beam are prefered over 425mm??

The answer is not on tracking crap, at lest now, the answer is not on how much dps you have after one hour shooting crap structures !!

The answer is: alpha

8 Arty in some proprly fitted BS can spit alpha shots for about 14K, add implants/boosters and this can go further.

Pick 8 lasers like beam or tach in some properly fitted BS and you can hit over 10K alpha.

Pick 8 425mm Rails in no matter the ship and you'll hardly be able to do better than 5 - 6 K with implants and whatsoever.

What this means? -well either rails don't hit fast enough or base weapon dmg multiplier in in deep need for a mutch bigger buff.

At 70/100km 50 man fleet vs 50 man fleet BS there's simply no reason to pick Rails when you can instantly alpha BS one by one with Arty or Lasers. Rails are just not competitive even with faction/officer fits a simple T2 fit Arty/Laser BS will be better.

Nonsense. HAMs are the longest "short range" weapon system. If you need more range, use Javelin HAMs - everyone else is already using their long range ammo. If 30k isn't enough fit appropriate rigs, everyone is ASLO already fitting them.

Lols, at which point you'll just be doing more dps with HML's.

Stop flying blaster ships like you're in a ranged setup and you won't have this problem.

-Liang

You're wrong.

-Liang

All of those ships are useful in niche circumstances. The buff made them a bit more useful in those same limited circumstances - but did not expand the Gallente envelope much ( though rails are a bit better).

Honestly, the more we kick this around in this thread, I dont think they will, or should, change the Gallente roles much, if at all. They just need to make sure the gallente rule their envelope with absolute dominance. Either by reducing other races abilities inside scram range, or by increasing gallente damage inside scram range to the heretofore unknown FACEMELTING range.

The problem now is that although the other races may not have the best close in damage, it is good enough that their other benefits outweigh the slight disadvantage (for example scorch and barrage). IMHO, it needs to be so that if you get in optimals of an equal class similarly fit gal ship, you WILL lose. I dont think that has necessarily been the case - but the jury is still out on the recent changes.

Just my opinion.

The question is what situation are blasters the best, and the answer is fighting a single target at 500 meters piloted by someone who has less sp than you. Any other situation they are the worst in fact. The dps in eft is only barely better than other weapons, and the drawbacks are enormous.

Wondering why you put the Absolution in the same box as the Sleipnir. Makes no sense at all.

Pretty bad story:

I'll stick with a Mongol and Viking analogy. 25 viking warriors on foot raid a village. Woman and children. Smashing and grabing. Stolen gold. Now! A single Mongol warrior returns to his village while this is going on. Mongol warrior has a bow and arrow, short sword and is riding a horse. He starts shooting arows @ Vikings and takes out 2. The rest start rushing after the lone Mongol warrior and he rides, taking the Viking raiders to more open ground (Hurricane).

In the chase he drops 5 more Vikinge his mobility. Vikings atempt to throw axe's but cannot throw it far enought to be effective and cannot out run a horse. Now, the Mongol has brought the Vikings to a space where the Mongol has a advantage. More space to use superior mobility. Mongol kills the Vikings still not smart enough to disengage and move to either a forest or back to the village where the Mongol warrior has less of an advantage. (Mongol = Hurricane or Harbinger versus Vikings = Brutix

Clearly, the concept behind Mongol warriors martial tactics seem superior. Although limited to open area's where slower combatant have no hope of escape.

How could the Vikings change this. Well, they could all get horses the next time they raid. Great! Problem solved. More speed. Above happens again. Mongol starts taking out 2 viking raiders again. He now cannot out run the Vikings and he will be caught sooner or later. He just needs to prolong being caught as long as possible while taking out Viking Raiders. Out of the 25 he has killed 10 and is now caught or in a situation where he cannot run. Oh well! Go down fighting and kill more Vikings while they rush you for the final blow. 2 more Vikings are dead.

(Mongol = heavy missile Drake versus any other battle-cruiser)

Clearly much has not change. The focking Mongle is still able to prolong a chase long enough to pretty generate the same results. Except he is caught and killed in the end, which means success I suppose and more gold for whom ever is left. Still that is a costly battle.

Throw a Viking in this same situation and he is very limited. Mongles raided his village. viking shows up. If he rushes one and he alerts the others. He is dead. If he manage to kill one. He could not hope to out run the rest if they see viking killing one of there dudes. Clearly he must stay in the village to limit advantage of mobility and range of Mongol or else dead. He is dead anyway so he tries to suicide another Mongol before he goes and fail dies to arrows or blob of Mongol swords.

Ight. 300 years l8er. There's some innovation. Thanks to a new handsome viking named proxyyyy. Takes 300 years because the rest of his community have identified the issue along time ago, but think Vikings with bow and arrows and horses is not manly enough. Proxyyy leads his merry band of new Vikings raiding villages. Mongol warrior comes out of nowhere and kills a Viking. Another viking sees this and shoots him dead with a arrow. Yey! More profit because some dumb-ass Viking let his guard down and failed. The rest of us are good. We roll out like woman with vaginas because we use pink bows and arrows and ride unicorns.


-man it feels good to be a viking.

Ho adn at the beginning vikings were hurricanes then at the end became brutix

Proxxy, stop smoking the carpet please

Gime a neutrons diemost fit that works properly please