Missions & Complexes

Hiya Capsules, I'm currently doing level 4 missions for Amarr and SOE in 2 armor active tanking NM's with very little difficulty and I was wondering how I'd fare doing level 5 missions. Amarr mission payout varies from 20-25 mill isk an hour with low LP to isk ratio value, while SOE payout is around the same with much higher LP to isk ratio that comes to around 40-50 mill isk an hour. First I'd like to know if two armor active tanking NM's could complete all level 5 missions and second if the isk per hour + risk is worth it?

First question is this. If you can afford to have 2 NM does the ISK per hour really matter?

Now to the lvl 5's.

In a proper fit with really good skills they can be run solo and by that I mean a single ship not one person running 2 accounts so the basic answer is yes you could run lvl 5's with your NM.

Yes they do pay slightly better than lvl 4 missions BUT and this is a huge BUT.
Do they pay enough extra to cover the cost of replacement ship or ships for when you make that mistake and gete caught.
Now that is a questions that only you can answer because only you know how much risk you are willing to take and only you can decide if the increased ISK/LP is worth the additional risks.

Personally and based on the average increase in ISK/LP I experienced the answer was no lvl 5's are not worth it, the additional income would have taken months to pay back a single ship loss.

As is the case with many things in EvE your mileage may vary and the only way you will ever know is to go forth and try it.

The one thing I will advise is this. If you start running lvl 5's on a continuous basis leave your mission ships in low and commute to and from them in something less attractive to pierates and other doers of evil things.

its the only thing that matters. dunno what the price of 2 nightmares has anything to do with it? ~2bil (and that is being generous) won't get you very far.

dunno about armor nightmares, sounds horribly inefficient to me, I like damage mods in my lows. plus many lv5s have neut towers. My understanding is most people cherry pick the good ones and blitz them (often using carriers) making most of their isk from the LP conversions. The other strategy is a passive tanked rattlesnake, ishtar, or nighthawk/vulture, plus another ship for dps. Had some people in alliance that did them. I haven't touched lv5s since they were brand new and on sisi.

also last I checked most lv5s were for corps with mediocre isk/lp options, although most of that is probably from FW LP and lv5 LP flooding the LP market.

Scout a few potential lv5 spots on TQ, and try a few lv5s on sisi, then think about if they are worth doing or not.

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If the only thing that matters is how much ISK per hour you can make this game must be awful boring.
Screw the ISK per hour is what I say get out and do what you want and have fun doing it. IF ISK is a problem then you can worry about it, but I doubt it ever will be.

But then if ISK per hour is THE ONLY THING that matters there are many other aspects of this game that would be far better than missions. And if you want max ISK per hour from missions then level 5;s and even level 4's are not where you need to be and the NM is not the ship you want to have.

Well I'm not an eve vet like you and Chainsaw so I'm pretty sure you guys have graduated from having fun doing missions. But for me who only have 21 mill SP and just recently been release from my prison (docked in amarr station while training up skills) I find obliterating rats in level 4 missions rather exhilarating. And since I'm still new to eve I don't have experience in no other occupations outside of doing missions so I intend to make the best of it. And assuming a certain annoying Vexor doesn't wreck my MTU and steal my loot, I can replace my NM within 10 hours of grinding level 4 missions.

The waiting time to join a fleet was soo long that I feel asleep. It seems no ones interested in accepting an unknown inexperience newbie like myself and only accepts the pilots that they know with experience, so it's back to grinding missions.

Aren't they all like that now. Eve's been out for 12 years now and many players have long standing relationships with other each that makes it very difficult for a new player to blend in and do something like incursions. Even if you do get accepted into a fleet, I hear that there's a rogue corp that goes out and smashes the motherships in all VG sites which makes incursions a hit or miss. Could just be a rumor though.

ah yea, cap stable and nightmare don't really go together too well. Paladin with an undersized rep does that so well I haven't really flown my nightmare in a long time.


if we are comparing isk making activities it is one of the primary considerations. I get bored of trading dreadfully quick so I don't do much of it, even though I could make a lot of isk doing it (same with manufacturing). If you have better ideas I'm willing to hear them. personally I like lv4s because they are casual and suit my drop in, drop out play style. Right now I'll have a bit more free time so maybe something more involved would be cool.

Paladin is the ship I'm training for right now, but after blazing through the hardest Level 4's using dual NM's I'm starting to wonder if it's needed. Besides bastion mode and ewar immunity, tell me what a Paladin can do that you can't do in this NM.

The Ult Armor Tanked NM FIt

Highs
4x Tachyon Beam Laser II with NavyMulti ~ 868 dps @ 42+41
2x Drone link Augmentor II

Mids
Gist X-Type 100MN AB ~ 973m/s
2x Tracking Computer II ~ optimal range script
1x Tracking Computer II ~ tracking speed script
3x Cap Recharger II

Lows
1x DCU II
2x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
2x True Sansha Heat Sink
1x True Sansha Large Armor Repairer

Rigs
1x Large CCC II
2x Large CCC

Fit is 38.7% cap stable with 224 cpu & 1.84k pwg to spare. Can also blap frigs and inties 50+ km away.

Dont need the cloak, all you need to do is kill the mission target which is either a battleship or a hauler and ignore everything else.