EVE General Discussion

Why? Should Concord be removed and have players inflict consequences on gankers? Concord is doing the killing part already, why stop at just the ship? Pod kill is just part of the kill dontyouknow.


How many thing in EVE are actually working as intended? Scaps? Drones? High sec income? Low sec?


Quite correct, but then I never disputed this. The repercussions should be severe enough so that it's only viable vs economically worthwhile targets (with a different balance as it is right now) or when it's a gank for personal reasons. Random ganks for the lulz vs high EHP targets and being able to get away with it (cost/repercussion wise) makes no sense.

There you go again, trying to push the conversation away form the actual subject.

I have, you just don't like what I have to say.

No. I'm trying to push you towards actually presenting an argument for the change you want to se.

As it happens, your nonsensical and baseless quest to remove ganking (which is what it is, your ineffectual and blatantly false assurances to the contrary aside) is off-topic. So if that's the line of reasoning you want to pursue, you should probably stop posting entirely.

No. You just keep repeating a wish to see the change, not a reason why it should happen. In fact, the only arguments you've provided have been evidence against the false preconceptions your wish is based on.

False.

No, it really isn't. You just haven't been paying attention and you have not thought through what you're actually suggesting.

You are arguing that CONCORD should be transformed from being a core game mechanic that defines an entire section of space into being a regular rat.

This has already been done. Multiple times. Your absolute refusal to accept facts has also been proven multiple times.

Sure it does. Either those cheap ships can kill the target or they can't. You're saying that they shouldn't be able to because of how much more the expensive one costs. This is something that you claim should be inherent in the hull, and not reliant on such ephemera as fittings or piloting or numbers or anything else. The consequence of your wish is that an expensive ship will be safe: because nothing available will sensibly be able to kill it.

Good. That means ganking for profit is possible, as intended.

LOL, wow...


1) Concord provides repercussions in case a GCC happens, it kills the ship of the attacker but does not touch the pod. That's how it has always been

2) recently pod loss without a sufficient clone stopped costing SP, as such pod losses are a lot les painful now (which is great for high SP characters who want to clown around).

3) recently we got a type of NPC that DOES pod, this combined with #2 allows for a discussion on whether or not NPC in general should pod kill or not. Pros and cons can be made for both sides

4) however, it REALLY allows for a rethink on whether Concord should also pod (given #2 and #3). This is an arbitrary thing and one can argue both ways but as Concord is very much about repercussion It's fairly logical to state that it makes more sense for Concord to pod than not to

5) pod killing upon GCC would also increase repercussions for ganking which, given silly ganks, seems to still need some rebalancing

6) On top of all that it would cancel out certain options which will make it less easy to gank, specific styles of ganking but also things like pod travel

7) It makes no sense to have outlaws fly around in high sec as they are atm. Shoot on sight, pod kill on sight. Since the police doesn't really leave the gates and stations it's up to concord to take care of GCC in a way that fits: destroy their ship, pod kill


I thought we all liked "actions have consequences", "deal with it" and "HTFU lol"? Or is that just what you tell your target?



Ganking should be a last resort option where the cost and repercussions are so high that it's only logical do to in personal or really worthwhile situations. For anything else you can log on your main, leave the cocoon of your hilariously huge coalition and shoot stuff on your own or with a few friends. That or start a war (which would require wars to be unfcked).

It's not supposed to be on par with cost, and the freighter can easily avoid them, regardless of cargo status.

Your entire premise is false.

20 people vs 1 person.

If the 1 person could survive that once combat has started, it would be evidence of a pretty huge imbalance in game mechanics. Fortunately, that is not the case.

Nono, just spell it out so we can slice 'n dice it.

So you're saying that things should be dialled back to the point where only, say, 5–10 cats are required to kill a single freighter. That way, the investments for each side might be a bit more sensibly balanced.

Apparently, the costs are so completely beyond what is reasonable for the gankers that only a handful happen on a single day, and only among very organised specialist groups that have picked up enough tricks to counter these costs.


No. Go read up because it has been described in every single thread on the topic. Stop moving the goal posts when you misspeak and instead just accept that you're either flat-out wrong, or just completely uninformed.