EVE General Discussion

What you guys think? I heard people talk about how bad it is and how many other T1 frigates can easely outmatch it, what is your opinion on navy slicer? Is it really that bad?

I have one called pooh, it's awesome.

I don't like kiting though so it never gets to see any action.

Navy Slicer is awesome. With a head full of the right implants, its beyond awesome. Back when I flew in BNI, there was a guy who would harass the crap out of the peeps in Rahadalon with a navy Slicer.. and our 30+ man def fleets had a ridiculously hard time catching him.. and he would pick off one or two of us after kiting the fleet out.. and warp off. We would get him eventually.. but usually at a high cost.

Don't listen to those 'people' anymore about the Slicer.. they don't know how to fly it.. at all.

Navy Slicer and Navy Comet are really good ship.

The first a very fast kiter with good dps, and the second a monster dps brawler.

They have their moments

They're poop when I'm fighting them and awesome when I'm flying them.

In both cases, they're still awesome.

The problem I have with holding up chessur as an example is that he seems to fly in null, against people that fly interceptors, which are hilariously bad against a ship that does 160+ EM damage at 26k. People rush at him in crows and raptors and are predictably melted.

I love the slicer, and it can be extremely good, especially in a fleet. But the problem with flying one solo is that everyone with frigate pvp experience knows your fit the moment they see you on dscan, and will choose to engage based on that knowledge. It's a tough ship to succeed with in FW because it's not versatile compared to something like a comet which has numerous effective fits and so is inherently unpredictable, not to mention a scram kite comet is just good at everything.

In a slicer, 99% of the time you're mwd kite. You get scrammed and you're dead. Everyone knows it (at least in FW) and plans accordingly.

It's an awesome, sexy ship that is extremely fast yet hits harder with more tank than most missile kiters. It just has the glaring weakness of having no versatility due to lack of a 3rd mid slot. The effectiveness of the ship depends greatly on where you're flying it. In FW you have to assume everyone knows exactly what you're going to do, and work extra hard to make fights happen on your terms.

Because anyone stupid enough to rush a slicer with an interceptor, especially a shield tanked ceptor with an EM hole, is monumentally foolish or simply doesn't know what the slicer does, and I would like to meet them.

I'm sure chessur is a very skilled pilot but anyone that takes a crow against a slicer is an idiot and facing off vs idiots is not a true test of a ship's capabilities. I feel that FW is home to the best frigate pilots in the game and thus it's a good arena in which to test a frigate's mettle. And in that arena, the slicer's lack of versatility stands out because it is outstanding at kiting but it is a one trick pony which makes it a much less common sight than things like comets or hookbills or even tristans which are unpredictable opponents. You can try a surprise fit brawl slicer (I have) but you have to give up either your web, scram, or prop mod which severely gimps the fit even if you have a neut.

Nonetheless his videos make me want to fly a slicer in null because I can see how it would just be devastating as a fleet interceptor, because it's so superior in combat to the T2 frigs dedicated to that role while being only slightly slower.

I think this is a troll thread.

Most people use it to kite because its incredibly good and it lacks the three mids required for close range. The hull design would've been for being able to plate up heavily, to have a great frontline brawler that isn't slow as mud, but this design has been exploited much better in creating kite stuff.

Once CCP gets off their duff and recognizes that all ships need a minimum of 3 midslots, or that there needs to be some common options to deal with kites, we will see more brawl slicers appear because kiting won't be king.

The massive lows, the optimal bonus, and the ship agility/mass could've been designed to create a brawler that is plated heavily and uses -50% range ammo to achieve high damage and high defense in the thick of it, and I believe that was the original intent, however, with kiting being much less risky, and with the ship's abilities also working well for kiting, that's what it's used for.

Honestly if it were me, I'd be designing all ships to have a minimum of 4 mids for armor tanks, 4 lows for shield tanks, and then +1 in the tank section, to allow a reasonable selection of cap batteries, cap boosters, ewar or ewar support, etc.

Who ever uses small cap batteries? Nerf the fitting requirements of them heavily, down to about 3:2, then add a midslot, suddenly people will start using them. Most small/micro stuff doesn't get used because there isn't enough slots. I suppose if you min/maxed some ship and only had 3 pg and 10 cpu left, a micro shield/cap boost or a 50mm plate would do it, but these would be very rare fits because there has to be some synergy for that empty mid/low to be effective fitted with a minor improvement. At the same time, the ability to fit such minor improvements would be great for EvE because fine tuning ships leads to more consistently equal fights. That's why I approve of more mids for armor tanks and more lows for shield tanks.

What I might then do is cut the CPU and/or PG a tiny bit for ships, to force some downgrading from 200-400mm plate to 100mm, or the use of upgrade rigs or mods to achieve fitting that much armor.

Any ship is only as good as the pilot flying it.

Just sayin'

Mr Epeen