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Give me a reason

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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-05-28 12:28:50 UTC
Why is there no implemented trading system for supers/titans in the game?

Why do we have to throw our Isk to a minority of people who get spacerich with their 3rd party services?

Just, why?
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-05-28 12:35:13 UTC
Mostly because CCP was extremely shortsighted in just how many of them would actually be built. They foresaw them being built by and controlled by alliances, not (essentially) owned by individual players. I don't think they ever envisioned them being bought or sold the way they are now.

It's called emergent gameplay, I think.

Also, obligatory Death to all Supers!

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#3 - 2015-05-28 12:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
Nothing stopping you from working towards becoming that claimed spacerich pilot...

But as for reason, being biased since I'm in the position I am, I can say it's a wonderful sandbox thing, something that would not have been possible with supers being dockable/tradeable. Even CCP themselves have used 3rd party services as a selling point in presentations of the sandbox.

Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

PS. Also nothing stopping you from not using a 3rd party. But if dealing with the wrong person it could become bad experience.

/c

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Big Lynx
#4 - 2015-05-28 12:40:43 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Nothing stopping you from working towards becoming that claimed spacerich pilot...

But as for reason, being biased since I'm in the position I am, I can say it's a wonderful sandbox thing, something that would not have been possible with supers being dockable/tradeable. Even CCP themselves have used 3rd party services as a selling point in presentations of the sandbox.

Also in a way same reason as scamming is allowed, because it makes a more vibrating game play not set by pre-set rules and mechanics.

PS. Also nothing stopping you from not using a 3rd party. But if dealing with the wrong person it could become bad experience.

/c


Damn Chribba. You would become unemployed. xD
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#5 - 2015-05-28 12:48:34 UTC
I have known Chribba ever since the beginning of my experiences in Eve. He is by far the only person I know that you can work with as a 3rd party, one who will see to that a transaction goes thru completed and secure. I wish now I had contacted him to secure evacing two ships from nulsec awhile back instead of them being intercepted and stolen.

I will say for any really serious trans actions, Chribba is the way to go.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-28 13:28:21 UTC
The point isnt whos the best 3rd party trader. Its why ccp cant make it so you can put your super on the market/on contract.

Only reasons given so far are
1.Ccp short-sightedness
2."Sandbox"

Im going with #1 for 20bills
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-05-28 13:32:32 UTC
old code vs new code.
you can only spaghetti so much in before either the old code or the new code breaks.
either CCP can't be arsed to make this happen, or they've tried and 'It Did Not Work.'

Also, I'm against anything that would put Chribba out of business. Icons of trust are few in this game, and we do need all of them we can get.

You can't trust me, I'm a complete berk in the game.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-05-28 13:40:31 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:


You can't trust me, I'm a complete berk in the game.

But can we trust you to be a 'berk'? Or is this some self deprecating ploy?

What?

hmmm..

Grrr.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-05-28 13:41:34 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
Why is there no implemented trading system for supers/titans in the game?

Why do we have to throw our Isk to a minority of people who get spacerich with their 3rd party services?

Just, why?
Because it's much, much more cool the way it is.

Also, you're taking 'trading systems' for granted. Which is fine, since this is a game. But it's also a sandbox, so NOT having them built-in is a viable game design choice too.


Consider that there is no such thing as a 'trading system' in RL, there's always a third party you have to trust - a bank, a State, a trader, a notary.

I know cuz I just bought a house this morning (yay me!). I had a crazy but really good notary chick handling the deal. Since a good amount of hard-earned cash changed hands (Sad) I was more than happy to pay her to oversee the deal.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-05-28 13:55:14 UTC
Remember when Faction mods like Caldari Navy Shield Whatever and officer mods were contract only?

Im sure the same people said "SANDBOX!" And RL and 3rd trust etc etc at that time too.
Yet most people im sure like that they are now on the market.

Its coding. Plain and simple.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#11 - 2015-05-28 14:02:56 UTC
Because it is more interesting that way.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#12 - 2015-05-28 14:06:56 UTC
Trust me. I'm awful.
I know a few things, and i'm good at those things.
Other things I really suck at.
It is known.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#13 - 2015-05-28 14:40:58 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Its coding. Plain and simple.

There is a gulf of difference between adding faction/deadspace/officer mods to the market system and building an entire system around a set of 9 ships that cannot dock.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-05-28 15:18:38 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Its coding. Plain and simple.

There is a gulf of difference between adding faction/deadspace/officer mods to the market system and building an entire system around a set of 9 ships that cannot dock.


It's a programming maxim that things that sound easy are harder to do than landing a man on the moon, and things that sound impossible take about 15 minutes.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-05-28 15:30:01 UTC
Ok so make one but with a limited guarantee.

Any super traded with this new, sad, automatic system has a 50% of self-destructing after an year and a day.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-05-28 15:32:13 UTC
I think its part of the magic of supercaps. You need to either have implicit trust in your trading partner, or use a third party.


It works well.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2015-05-28 15:34:58 UTC
Reason: Content

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#18 - 2015-05-28 16:24:23 UTC
Because they cant dock, therefore cant be repackaged, and therefore cant be bought or sold traditionally

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#19 - 2015-05-28 16:46:14 UTC
Gather around younglings, let me tell you a story.

When Titans and MOM's first came out, the population of eve was less, and making them was dangerous. Often at times, spies were able to abort titans and moms as they were being built. You had a lot of "decoy" towers deployed to try and make it harder to find the baby titans. It was a fun time, with a few titans and moms.

then CCP had a great idea, to create an abomination of a system for sov. They had this brillant idea that you could claim a capital in a constalation and EVERYTHING in it would become immune. Thus, many titans and moms were built. by the time ccp killed this, it was already too late.

Titans were ment to be few and rare. They did not think it would be needed to do trading. As others have said it was short sighted. Even making them not dock was short sighted.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-05-28 16:59:30 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Its coding. Plain and simple.

There is a gulf of difference between adding faction/deadspace/officer mods to the market system and building an entire system around a set of 9 ships that cannot dock.

So the issue is coding?
Gotcha
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