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Energized Thermic Membrane II - Whats its future?

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Kypud
Zeus Research
#1 - 2015-05-26 16:52:12 UTC
Energized Thermic Membrane II is currently selling for 327,315 in Jita, highest buy order is 160,030. Price has been going down for a while, might be levelling out now but who can tell.

Cost to build with invention is in the region of 455k, with BPO about 373K.

I'm assuming this module is not used much (should really check this out).


  1. Will people stop making it, the supply slowly go down (very slowly if its not used much), the price go up again, people start making it again, and we cycle around again? Perfect Supply/Demand?
  2. Will people just keep making it, the supply keep increasing, and the price just keep sinking?
  3. A change to the game cause an increase in demand?
  4. Will something else happen?


I'm just kind of curious. Anyone got any theories?
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-05-26 17:15:25 UTC
No theories on that particular module but from what I've seen from many T2 modules and ammunition since bpo changes is that just when you think an item has leveled out it goes lower. T2 production for many items has just become whacky and non profitable.
My advice is never try to catch a falling knife.
When an issue finds a floor it will usually test it and bounce back up a couple of times.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#3 - 2015-05-26 22:38:59 UTC
The module has low demand because the cap-using variant is *so* much better, and so the T2 BPOs that exist meet all of the demand that exists and more. Even the A-type deadspace versions are sub-50 million and many players would just prefer the stats of an Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II.

Trading bad modules ends in tears.

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Dravyan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-27 08:11:49 UTC
I think of these would have to be destroyed before the price rebounds. Perhaps over the course of several years.
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#5 - 2015-05-29 11:54:30 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/marketdisplay.php?typeid=11259&regionid=10000002

Check the volume - 165 on a good day.

You can normally produce upto 133 of these per day with a single BPO. Smile Deadspace C-Types are around 3 mil p/u, True Sansha/DB anywhere from 450k to 2 mil ISK and Shadow Serpentis ETM 290k p/u.

Looks to be a classic tiericide scenario - pre-patch stock being sold below the new building cost, courtesy of Morphite, in order to lock out other producers out of the market. The Buy orders for these are non-existent - the average price has been glued to the highs for the past 3 months.

Morphite went up by 79% in recent times - https://element-43.com/market/11399/

Tesseract Capacitor Unit, which is 30.7% of the build cost, of which in turn are 17.7% Fullerides, of which Platinum Technite is 87%, of which Technetium is 78% by cost - it has been fairly stable, but then there's another TCU reaction component, and it is Tungsten Carbide with 8.11%, of which Rolled Tungsten Alloy is 69% by cost, and it is 79% Platinum - Platinum has been all over the place in the past 6 months. Smile

Nanotransistors are another 8% with most of it being Neo Mercurite, thus Neodymium, and that one spiked in early Earth-Feb.

Terahertz Metamaterials take up another 66% of Tesseract Capacitor Units = Promethium & Cadmium.

Crystalline Carbonide is 12.8% of ETM build cost, of which 88% is Crystallite Alloy, 86% of which is taken up by Cadmium, that went up by 40-somthing percent off Earth-Dec levels and since has retraced back - it could be substituted by Sillicates at 11.1 exchange rate, but whatevski. v0v

And of course, the Tech 1 Energized Thermic Membrane I is now selling at 149k ISK p/u for some reason and makes up 42.7% of the build cost, whereas it used to be 75k-ish p/u.

At 7-8 units built, you're almost at break even against the sell price, from a batch of 100 you're bagging a 2.06% profit before taxes, and if one had a stockpile of Morphite from 5k p/u times, at 500 units you'd effectively be paying 4,050 ISK p/u.

It's just a T2 module, and a relatively bad one at that. Blink
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#6 - 2015-06-04 11:21:56 UTC
ETM I are down to 105k ISK p/u, TCUs now make up 33.5% of the build cost - ETM IIs are profitable again.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2015-06-04 11:49:06 UTC
GankYou wrote:
ETM I are down to 105k ISK p/u, TCUs now make up 33.5% of the build cost - ETM IIs are profitable again.



Well, they are profitable if you can find a sucker (I mean buyer) for them.

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GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#8 - 2015-06-04 11:58:03 UTC
Jita always had margins thinner than the ass hair on most Matari men - that is true. I prefer that they all keep staying there forever evermore. Smile