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Price-Efficient Laptop For EVE

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WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-05-25 19:33:55 UTC
So in a nutshell I'm going away from home for a while and can't take my PC with me so I plan on getting a cheap laptop to substitute. It'd be used mostly for school/youtube/web surfing but I'd like it to be able to run EVE too. Not for hardcore PvP or such, just to log on and do industry, reactions, PI and such. Just station to station stuff. I know the minimum game specs, and just wanted to know if any of you could suggest a laptop below $200. Thanks, Fly Safe o7
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-05-25 20:59:34 UTC
For below $200, something used. I'd recommend against buying direct from previous owner as you can't be sure what's been done to the thing or what kind of shape its in. You also don't benefit from any warranty that might still be on the machine.

I know most laptop manufacturers (Dell, HP, etc...) have pre-owned/refurbished laptops for sale. Might want to check those out.
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-05-25 21:04:09 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
For below $200, something used. I'd recommend against buying direct from previous owner as you can't be sure what's been done to the thing or what kind of shape its in. You also don't benefit from any warranty that might still be on the machine.

I know most laptop manufacturers (Dell, HP, etc...) have pre-owned/refurbished laptops for sale. Might want to check those out.


Cool, do you think Best Buy is worthwhile? I know some of their refurbished ones go for almost the same price as new... Do you have any personal experience or suggestions as to what machine? I assume any machine that meets EVE's minimum specs should be OK for my purpose, right?
Thanks Again! o7
Traejun DiSanctis
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Caldari State
#4 - 2015-05-25 21:53:34 UTC
WhiskeyTango1-1 wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
For below $200, something used. I'd recommend against buying direct from previous owner as you can't be sure what's been done to the thing or what kind of shape its in. You also don't benefit from any warranty that might still be on the machine.

I know most laptop manufacturers (Dell, HP, etc...) have pre-owned/refurbished laptops for sale. Might want to check those out.


Cool, do you think Best Buy is worthwhile? I know some of their refurbished ones go for almost the same price as new... Do you have any personal experience or suggestions as to what machine? I assume any machine that meets EVE's minimum specs should be OK for my purpose, right?
Thanks Again! o7


As long as it meets the minimum specs, then you're fine to play EvE in the fashion you plan to - i.e. no pvp or performance-intensive gameplace.

Best buy is fine, as is any other big chain store. They tend to offer warranties, which I would definitely recommend you get. I like Dell, and have been a customer for over 10 years, but I also replace my machine every 2 years in order to keep it as close to state of the art as possible. Older/lower-spec Dells new are very expensive, but they have tons of refurbished ones directly through them or through retailers for pretty decent prices.
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-05-25 21:57:55 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
WhiskeyTango1-1 wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
For below $200, something used. I'd recommend against buying direct from previous owner as you can't be sure what's been done to the thing or what kind of shape its in. You also don't benefit from any warranty that might still be on the machine.

I know most laptop manufacturers (Dell, HP, etc...) have pre-owned/refurbished laptops for sale. Might want to check those out.


Cool, do you think Best Buy is worthwhile? I know some of their refurbished ones go for almost the same price as new... Do you have any personal experience or suggestions as to what machine? I assume any machine that meets EVE's minimum specs should be OK for my purpose, right?
Thanks Again! o7


As long as it meets the minimum specs, then you're fine to play EvE in the fashion you plan to - i.e. no pvp or performance-intensive gameplace.

Best buy is fine, as is any other big chain store. They tend to offer warranties, which I would definitely recommend you get. I like Dell, and have been a customer for over 10 years, but I also replace my machine every 2 years in order to keep it as close to state of the art as possible. Older/lower-spec Dells new are very expensive, but they have tons of refurbished ones directly through them or through retailers for pretty decent prices.


What about graphics cards? AMD Radeon 2600 XT or NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS is what EVE requires but laptops have very different, built-in graphics cards. Does it just need Shader 3? Help Cry
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-25 22:13:37 UTC
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2015-05-25 22:34:49 UTC
I think these are a better alternatives then:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-thinkpad-t61-15-5-notebook-intel-core-2-duo-dual-core-2-core-2-ghz-black/1305327274.p?id=mp1305327274&skuId=1305327274

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-refurbished-thinkpad-t400-core-2-duo-t9400-2-53ghz-4gb-160gb-14-1-combo-bluetooth-fingerprint-reader-black/1307431269.p?id=mp1307431269&skuId=1307431269

Or you could just set up a ridiculously long skill queue while you are away.

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Traejun DiSanctis
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Caldari State
#8 - 2015-05-25 22:37:48 UTC
I'm fairly certain the second one will run it. The 4500M HD internal graphics "should" be good enough to run it on lowest setting so long as you never leave the station :P

I'd send a message to tech support and ask.
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-05-25 22:47:52 UTC


Well the first has no wireless internet, which I need, and the second is a bit to much for me :/ wanting to stay in the $150 range (I'm poor) Do you know if the two I linked have the graphics card required? The specs dont say...
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2015-05-25 22:57:01 UTC
WhiskeyTango1-1 wrote:


Well the first has no wireless internet, which I need, and the second is a bit to much for me :/ wanting to stay in the $150 range (I'm poor) Do you know if the two I linked have the graphics card required? The specs dont say...


They do not. I suggest a long skill queue then.

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Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-05-25 23:40:04 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
WhiskeyTango1-1 wrote:


Well the first has no wireless internet, which I need, and the second is a bit to much for me :/ wanting to stay in the $150 range (I'm poor) Do you know if the two I linked have the graphics card required? The specs dont say...


They do not. I suggest a long skill queue then.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=warning&l=http%3a%2f%2fwww.bestbuy.com%2fsite%2flenovo-thinkpad-t61-15-5-notebook-intel-core-2-duo-dual-core-2-core-2-ghz-black%2f1305327274.p%3fid%3dmp1305327274%26amp%3bskuId%3d1305327274&domain=bestbuy.com

This doesn't have wireless capability correct? I dont like the idea of adapters but do you think one would work? I just need everything to work because we cant replace anything on the road :P

Id like to stay active because my people need me cx so no long skill training lol
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-05-25 23:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: WhiskeyTango1-1
OK So in theory this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-thinkpad-t61-15-5-notebook-intel-core-2-duo-dual-core-2-core-2-ghz-black/1305327274.p?id=mp1305327274&skuId=1305327274

and this:
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050109&p_id=8075&seq=1&format=2#specifications

will give me the ability to play EVE on any Wi-Fi networks/hotspots?

Edit: How do you know if it can run EVE or not? Is there a website or are you just a super-genious?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#13 - 2015-05-26 01:29:34 UTC
I recommend you Google your local city + "refurbished laptops"
A local company combines parts rather well, usually making a better computer that is reliable.

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Hrothgar Nilsson
#14 - 2015-05-27 18:47:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
OP, any relatively modern i5 laptop or AMD-equivalent can run EVE just fine, even without enhanced graphics output, as long as you stick to more basic tasks. Station trading, solo stuff, exploration, wormhole stuff, PI, logistics would be be just fine. Don't expect it to be able to handle large battles. POS fields and dictor/hictor/anchored bubbles will also cause performance issues (unless they've been changed recently by the devs to be less taxing). Don't expect to be able to run Teamspeak that well (which eats as much CPU as EVE). Assign them to different cores in the taskman if you must use Teamspeak and EVE at the same time. Expect to keep graphics on relatively low settings.

Enhanced graphics output, something beyond the most basic NVIDIA or AMD/ATI laptop graphics controllers will help. Some brand-name graphics controllers are actually inferior to onboard Intel graphics controllers, so don't let that fool you. With regards to graphics cards, think of them as being a separate computer within a computer. The hardware is built exclusively to handle graphics processing, has its own GPU and RAM, taking the strain off the CPU and RAM on the motherboard.

But laptops are laptops, and you will never get the same unit of performance out of it for $ spent as you would in a desktop. A modestly upgraded socket 775 Core 2 Duo desktop PC with an NVIDIA 8600/8800/9800 GPU and DDR2 RAM will easily outperform a typical i5 laptop with DDR3, every time.

My background: I've been a system builder off and on since 1999. Without trying to sound immodest, I'd estimate if you picked 10,000 people at random, I'd be the most knowledgeable in the group regarding hardware. The release of DDR4 did escape my attention though, in one of my "off" phases.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#15 - 2015-05-27 19:55:10 UTC
Also, frak BestBuy. Look on NewEgg. You can highly tailor your searches there. There are laptops on their marketplace that are sub-$230 with Intel i5, 4GB of RAM, SSD, and Intel 4500M graphics controllers there that ought to suit you fine.
LordOdysseus
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#16 - 2015-05-27 23:05:10 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
Also, frak BestBuy. Look on NewEgg. You can highly tailor your searches there. There are laptops on their marketplace that are sub-$230 with Intel i5, 4GB of RAM, SSD, and Intel 4500M graphics controllers there that ought to suit you fine.


Newegg all the way.
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-05-28 01:24:31 UTC
You guys are all awesome but does anyone know a website where I can plug in the laptop name/brand and have ALL the specs pulled up because the makers websites are trash and they hide anything bad about it. Like the video cards, it takes forever to dig up what card it has then another 20 minutes to get the VRAM and other specs. I honestly wish this was easier. It's making me want to destroy the internetEvil
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-05-28 01:27:25 UTC
I have like 18 Tabs open with different websites that each give me one peace of info at a time. If I can put up with spreadsheet sim I can put up with this. Bob Help Me!
Hrothgar Nilsson
#19 - 2015-05-28 02:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
This Lenovo T410 directly from NewEgg will be the best bang for your buck. $210.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834318087&cm_re=laptop-_-34-318-087-_-Product


  • CPU: Intel Core i5-520M Processor, (3MB Cache, 2.40 GHz, turbo-boost 2.933 GHz)
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3-1066 PC3-8500 (upgradeable to 8GB)
  • HDD: 500GB, 7200 RPM
  • GPU: 512MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M [****1]
  • Screen: 14.1", 1400x900 native resolution
  • OS: Windows 7 64-bit Professional
  • Wireless: Intel 6200 802.11AGN


[****1] Specfically ask NewEgg to ship you one with the NVIDIA NVS 3100M. Do NOT let them send you one with only an Intel GMA graphics controller, which some T410s do indeed ship with. I went ahead and asked for you in the Q&A section if this ships with the 3100M. Something to get sorted before pulling the trigger and purchased.

From: http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-t410

GPU:
Quote:
With either graphics solution, you can play World of Warcraft on the ThinkPad T410. With integrated [Intel GMA] graphics, we managed a serviceable frame rate of 27 frames per second at 1024 x 768 resolution, which increased to a whopping 60 frames per second with discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics. However, when we configured the game to use each panel's native resolution (1280 x 800 for the integrated and 1440 x 900 for the [NVIDIA 3100M] discrete), the frame rate on the integrated [Intel GMA] graphics T410 dropped to an unplayable 8 frames per second while the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics T410 got a reasonable 28 frames per second.
[...]
On the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics ThinkPad T410 we were even able to play the graphics-intensive game Far Cry 2. At 1024 x 768 resolution, we got 45 frames per second, but only 9 frames per second on the [Intel GMA] integrated T410. The discrete frame rate was far above the category average of 21 fps and virtually equal to the performance offered by the HP EliteBook 8440w (46 fps). At native resolution (1440 x 900 or 1280 x 800), Far Cry 2 wasn't playable on either the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] or the integrated [Intel GMA] graphics T410s, returning weak frame rates of 11 and 4 fps respectively.


CPU:
Quote:
With its 2.53-GHz Intel Core i5-540M, the ThinkPad T410 produced some of the best performance scores we'd ever seen. On PCMark Vantage, a synthetic benchmark that measures overall system speed, the notebook scored a whopping 6,937, which is more than double the thin-and-light notebook category average of 3,467 and over 1,000 points higher than the ThinkPad T400s (5,893) which has a 2.53-GHz Core 2 Duo SP9600CPU. The score was so high that it nearly matched the HP EliteBook 8440w (6,975), a mobile workstation that features a higher-end 2.66-GHz Intel Core i7-620M.
WhiskeyTango1-1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-05-28 19:10:49 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
This Lenovo T410 directly from NewEgg will be the best bang for your buck. $210.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834318087&cm_re=laptop-_-34-318-087-_-Product


  • CPU: Intel Core i5-520M Processor, (3MB Cache, 2.40 GHz, turbo-boost 2.933 GHz)
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3-1066 PC3-8500 (upgradeable to 8GB)
  • HDD: 500GB, 7200 RPM
  • GPU: 512MB NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M [****1]
  • Screen: 14.1", 1400x900 native resolution
  • OS: Windows 7 64-bit Professional
  • Wireless: Intel 6200 802.11AGN


[****1] Specfically ask NewEgg to ship you one with the NVIDIA NVS 3100M. Do NOT let them send you one with only an Intel GMA graphics controller, which some T410s do indeed ship with. I went ahead and asked for you in the Q&A section if this ships with the 3100M. Something to get sorted before pulling the trigger and purchased.

From: http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-thinkpad-t410

GPU:
Quote:
With either graphics solution, you can play World of Warcraft on the ThinkPad T410. With integrated [Intel GMA] graphics, we managed a serviceable frame rate of 27 frames per second at 1024 x 768 resolution, which increased to a whopping 60 frames per second with discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics. However, when we configured the game to use each panel's native resolution (1280 x 800 for the integrated and 1440 x 900 for the [NVIDIA 3100M] discrete), the frame rate on the integrated [Intel GMA] graphics T410 dropped to an unplayable 8 frames per second while the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics T410 got a reasonable 28 frames per second.
[...]
On the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] graphics ThinkPad T410 we were even able to play the graphics-intensive game Far Cry 2. At 1024 x 768 resolution, we got 45 frames per second, but only 9 frames per second on the [Intel GMA] integrated T410. The discrete frame rate was far above the category average of 21 fps and virtually equal to the performance offered by the HP EliteBook 8440w (46 fps). At native resolution (1440 x 900 or 1280 x 800), Far Cry 2 wasn't playable on either the discrete [NVIDIA 3100M] or the integrated [Intel GMA] graphics T410s, returning weak frame rates of 11 and 4 fps respectively.


CPU:
Quote:
With its 2.53-GHz Intel Core i5-540M, the ThinkPad T410 produced some of the best performance scores we'd ever seen. On PCMark Vantage, a synthetic benchmark that measures overall system speed, the notebook scored a whopping 6,937, which is more than double the thin-and-light notebook category average of 3,467 and over 1,000 points higher than the ThinkPad T400s (5,893) which has a 2.53-GHz Core 2 Duo SP9600CPU. The score was so high that it nearly matched the HP EliteBook 8440w (6,975), a mobile workstation that features a higher-end 2.66-GHz Intel Core i7-620M.


You sir deserve a medal. Thank you very much, and I am pleased to say that my budget has been increased to $500 (Decided a class ring wasn't worth it) So I'll still look into the T410, if you have any higher-priced suggestions I'd love to hear them!
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