Science & Industry

1) Instead of trying to down size the POS, why don't you figure out how to add more capability and make more Isk to offset the added fuel costs.

2) Why do people strive for "self sufficiency" at the expense of making the most Isk with their Indy time. Now maybe the 4 hours Ice Mining are done while doing homework, or running missions on another screen, or watching TV. But from what I have heard (since I have never mined Ice in HS) is that almost any ore mining yields more Isk/Hr. If this is so I can not figure out why anyone mines Ice in HS other than the desire of some internal satisfaction of playing an MMO in solo mode. I just don't get the "let's go mine Ice to be self sufficient, even though we could make twice the isk mining ore and buy the Ice products".

3) If you are seriously worried about 40M isk per month in additional POS operation costs, you need to find a better isk generation method. But yes I do feel for people like you with poorly planned towers, as you are bearing a large change in cost due to poorly utilized towers.

On the bright side, the increased pos fuel costs will reduce the number of pos spammed all around hi sec, which should open up some moons for those that can more efficiently make use of the resource of having a hi sec pos. Or, we might just see a lot more offlined pos...hmmm.

I'm not trying to sound calloused, but I do believe there have been many valid points here. If you can't figure out how to efficiently use your pos to make isk to offset the fuel increases, you probably should just take the stupid thing down. I've had many pos before, but as soon as I no longer am able to keep up with the fuel costs, I take them down. This frees up a moon for somebody else to have fun with.

To those that suggest taking down the POS, or swapping to a smaller one, well, I do make enough ISK off of it mfg'ing T2 mods to pay for fuel and a couple plexes/month. And I am researching a substantial set of BPO's long term as well while doing the T2 mfg.

The vast majority of the CPU requirements are labs, and no, I can't scale back. I have every lab being used heavily.

But enough of this. It appears that I simply have to suck it up as a cost of doing business.
I just hate the concept of paying for POS fuel. Call it a bit of role-playing. Call it stubbornness.
I am now buying large quantities of LO and considering Heavy Water, as much as I hate it.

I am no mfg genius who makes a billion/day from their POS, but it defrays some bills and is a decent distraction from the awful grind of missions.

My ultimate goal was to create a business in high sec that would fund my PvP ops in low sec, wh space and 0.0.
Given the changes over the past few weeks, that dream is shattered, but the POS is still viable.

yes, but isnt this the place for that? its not nearly as satisfying telling my cat. cats dont care.

as a side note to that, solo tower running is good stuff when you can afford it, but even small corps are feeling some burn from this. Hisec PI might not be the best, but it was enough to run a POS at a reasonable* cost, now however, the base cost of producing POS fuel has increased, what was origionaly a minor cost (buying/mining ice products and/or extra fuel) has become a bit bigger.

there are many arguments about the base cost of time, but ther eis a difference between isk cost and time cost. PI could be run cheaply and low risk pre-patch with very little time investment, (low isk, low time) but now with the higher taxes, it has become a higher isk to time investment. and buying fuel outright is much more expensive. (there is some room for fuel provider services, who have access to alliances to defend POCO's) but for small corps or solo players that investment is too much.

while it is nice to have a pos, many casual players who arent in a huge alliance, or have the time to be in a huge alliance will simply be booted from this aspect of the game. (this being good or bad on a cosmic scale i don't know)

oh and did you really not expect threads like this after the changes to PI? if adaption was easy, no one would die.

... at least one of them, 28,000 years at the old usage rate....


As far as the screaming about increased post of POS, they've been doing that since before the patch was released. Originally CCP was going to do away with the fuel bonuses for faction towers and sov entirely and just make the cargo bays bigger because they only asked the big alliances what THEY thought the advantage of those things were, and the universal response there was fewer refuels.


It's nice to see how not only do small corps and solos not count, but large corps and small alliances also don't count in this game.