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Strategic Industrial proposal - The Proletariat
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Alexis Nightwish
#41 - 2015-06-04 18:58:31 UTC
Samillian wrote:
So you want to obsolete all T1 and T2 industrials, mining barges, Exhumers and the Noctis with a single hull. Can't see it happening.

Not supported.

This was my exact thought looking over this.

Draahk Chimera wrote:
...Samillian : Yeah... the way Strategic Cruisers made all T1 and T2 cruisers and battlecruisers obsolete. You have of course red the OP very carefully and noted how all the subs individually have smaller bonuses than the barges and indys they are based upon?
Yeah, and T3Cs are one of the worst things that's ever happened to EVE. **** them, **** these broken as **** T3 Industrials, **** the king.

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Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#42 - 2015-06-04 19:23:32 UTC
Alexis Nightwish wrote:
Samillian wrote:
So you want to obsolete all T1 and T2 industrials, mining barges, Exhumers and the Noctis with a single hull. Can't see it happening.

Not supported.

This was my exact thought looking over this.

Draahk Chimera wrote:
...Samillian : Yeah... the way Strategic Cruisers made all T1 and T2 cruisers and battlecruisers obsolete. You have of course red the OP very carefully and noted how all the subs individually have smaller bonuses than the barges and indys they are based upon?
Yeah, and T3Cs are one of the worst things that's ever happened to EVE. **** them, **** these broken as **** T3 Industrials, **** the king.


So much this.

No more T3s

Nerf them all to be no better than T2, just customizable.

Draahk I can't even... my support for your statement is so high... marry me?

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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2015-06-04 19:40:14 UTC
My thoughts.


They should perform marginally less that that of their t2 counter part (based on build).

My reasoning is that they would be given more utility in comparison.


IE

Yield less than that of a Hulk, but can have cloak.
Yield less than that of a Hulk, but can have nullifier.
Yield less than that of a Hulk, but more tank.
Yield less than that of a Hulk, but more drone damage.

Command bonuses less than an Orca, but more ore hold.
Less command, but more tank.
Less command, but more damage.
Less command, but can cloak.
Less command, but has nullifier.


Obviously these aren't exactly how it would go, but I think T3 indy should provide what other indys do, but be able to at less efficiency in exchange for more survivability allowing more efficient use in Null/WH/Low.
If you don't think that it is balanced, you must also consider that destruction of your ship also gives skill loss.
vikari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-06-06 02:09:18 UTC
I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk.
Draahk Chimera
Supervillains
#45 - 2015-06-06 10:31:09 UTC
vikari wrote:
I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk.


It's the same bonus as Venture. Witch has a frigate's agility and would cost a fraction of the money and will not loose you SP if ganked.

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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#46 - 2015-06-06 10:49:44 UTC
Draahk Chimera wrote:
vikari wrote:
I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk.


It's the same bonus as Venture. Witch has a frigate's agility and would cost a fraction of the money and will not loose you SP if ganked.


*Prospect, venture is the T1 mining frigate. But yes, these 5 seconds are not OP to me too.

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