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Public Aid Deployment in Light of Recent Terrorist Attacks
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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#21 - 2015-05-24 20:25:23 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
First have you the identity of the terrorists, as you call them, who attacked these facilities?

That word has such power an it is so often misused I for one need proof beyond the inflammatory tone that terrorism is at work here.


Firebombing is a great way to cause disruption and terror. Not a good way to destroy a facility. Facilities were attacked and seeing as the method is the same between the attacks, it is easiest to assume that method of attack is deliberate. Their cause may be something other than terror, but it is the best fitting discriptor to the types of attacks that have happened.

CONCORD is handling the investigate and to be quite honest I don't very much care who did it. Maybe it's anti-Republic Matari forces, maybe it's over zealous Amarrians, could be some rogue Militia Capsuleers decided it would be fun, maybe the Drifters actually **** fire and mistook the SCC Customs Offices for latrines. I really don't know.

What I do know is that Civilians need assistance due to something they did not cause, and the affected systems are literally two jumps from my home staging system.

The purpose of this thread was to try to see who else would assist. Currently I have a few offers I need to get to tonight, as well as some materials that were already contracted over by generous humanitarians that has already seen distribution.

Another reason to this thread was to raise awareness of the ridiculous factionalism that is so common in the empires and how it only serves to divide people and make them hate. It should not matter what your DNA reads, we are all Human and we should start acting like the family we are.
Matar Ronin
#22 - 2015-05-24 20:40:56 UTC
We all start as human, on that point I'll agree. However as a capsuleer with implants I know our humanity can be too easily set aside by the power they grant us to accomplish things base-liners can only dream of. Now when a person is completely reprogrammed by implants and augmentations, perhaps they surely retain their DNA but are they still human?

We capsuleers are treading a fine line between humanity an automatons, the members of the Sansha Nation have crossed that line. I do not trust the soothing words of someone who might have been programmed to say them like a puppet supported by high tech remote strings. Let us converse with the puppet master and not his clever devices.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#23 - 2015-05-24 20:46:26 UTC
Your paranoia is quaint and amusing. I wish it was possible to put it on display in a zoo.

I'm going to sing you a tired old song that I have sung a thousand times. But one time only for you. Past that, your ignorance of the situation will have no excuse.

I am a supporter of Sansha's Nation, but not a member of it. I don't ask or expect your understanding of myself or my reasoning. But I am not controlled by Nation. If you wish to continue to doubt myself or my motives please do. You'd only harm yourself for effort. But to ask about my 'puppet master' assumes the presence of one.

Unless you wish to speak with my superior officer in Pyre, I can arrange that. But I'm sure they have even less time for your paranoia than I do.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-05-24 20:58:05 UTC
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2015-05-24 21:00:33 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Whether it was a terrorist attack or not its still our people being effected. Why should we not take what help we can get for our own? They sure can offer to help those on any Amarrian planet (which any aid would probably be intercepted mind you) but why reach out when there is need in their back yard? I'm not saying they should be praised for their generosity, but thanked, sure. They still oppose us or rather work for people opposed to us. But in the end aren't those who are safe with us still matter as much as those who we fight to obtain?

What does it say about us if we accept the wealth derived from the labor of our enslaved people to assist those of us enjoying emancipation?

The offer of assistance is the fruit of slave labor by our people held in the slavery cult empire and paid to their hired guns who would just as soon attack as help.

Can you say with any proof that the attackers of the facilities are not one and the same as these new benefactors?

Can you assure me that the supplies they offer are not laced with vitoc or some poison to harm the free people of the Republic?

Are you that trusting?

I am not.


Is the Yaken Clan employing slave labor? Am I employing slave labor? I can't speak for the Yaken Clan, but I can say I am obviously not. Whether they are responsible for the attacks, exactly what would they get out of an aid effort after the fact. Drugging the supplies? same response. What exactly would be gotten from it? If it was some Sansha thing then I'm sure they aren't looking for people effected by Vitoxin, they have TCMCs for that, which would make that rather pointless. Am I really that trusting, no I'm not. Do I see a reason for them to cause harm in this? Absolutely not. There would be no point to it aside from "haha!"
Matar Ronin
#26 - 2015-05-24 21:05:45 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Your paranoia is quaint and amusing. I wish it was possible to put it on display in a zoo.

I'm going to sing you a tired old song that I have sung a thousand times. But one time only for you. Past that, your ignorance of the situation will have no excuse.

I am a supporter of Sansha's Nation, but not a member of it. I don't ask or expect your understanding of myself or my reasoning. But I am not controlled by Nation. If you wish to continue to doubt myself or my motives please do. You'd only harm yourself for effort. But to ask about my 'puppet master' assumes the presence of one.

Unless you wish to speak with my superior officer in Pyre, I can arrange that. But I'm sure they have even less time for your paranoia than I do.

Would you call caution paranoia? I do not know you or your reasons for supporting the Sansha Nation. The true capabilities of the Sansha Nation are not fully disseminated amongst the people of the cluster. So if you take offense perhaps some transparency of the part of whom you support would diminish well founded caution on the part of those who oppose the involuntary abduction of humans for testing or reprogramming.

If you have not been chipped and reprogrammed I am pleased, but nonetheless concerned that you would allow that fate to befall others involuntarily. If you call that paranoia so be it, but it certainly does not fit the common definition of the word.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2015-05-24 21:06:59 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.



If I'm not mistaken they're not using people associated with pyre to do the drops. Are people that terrified of airdropped food and supplies?
Matar Ronin
#28 - 2015-05-24 21:12:20 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Whether it was a terrorist attack or not its still our people being effected. Why should we not take what help we can get for our own? They sure can offer to help those on any Amarrian planet (which any aid would probably be intercepted mind you) but why reach out when there is need in their back yard? I'm not saying they should be praised for their generosity, but thanked, sure. They still oppose us or rather work for people opposed to us. But in the end aren't those who are safe with us still matter as much as those who we fight to obtain?

What does it say about us if we accept the wealth derived from the labor of our enslaved people to assist those of us enjoying emancipation?

The offer of assistance is the fruit of slave labor by our people held in the slavery cult empire and paid to their hired guns who would just as soon attack as help.

Can you say with any proof that the attackers of the facilities are not one and the same as these new benefactors?

Can you assure me that the supplies they offer are not laced with vitoc or some poison to harm the free people of the Republic?

Are you that trusting?

I am not.


Is the Yaken Clan employing slave labor? Am I employing slave labor? I can't speak for the Yaken Clan, but I can say I am obviously not. Whether they are responsible for the attacks, exactly what would they get out of an aid effort after the fact. Drugging the supplies? same response. What exactly would be gotten from it? If it was some Sansha thing then I'm sure they aren't looking for people effected by Vitoxin, they have TCMCs for that, which would make that rather pointless. Am I really that trusting, no I'm not. Do I see a reason for them to cause harm in this? Absolutely not. There would be no point to it aside from "haha!"

Perhaps the next incursion will take place in these stricken systems, have you considered that?

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#29 - 2015-05-24 21:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Deitra Vess wrote:
If I'm not mistaken they're not using people associated with pyre to do the drops. Are people that terrified of airdropped food and supplies?


Mostly the low sec systems are done by myself and people directly in my employ due to Militia concerns.

High sec deliveries are being done with a third part hauling service that is not associated with the Militia and can move freely.

Jili Tonari wrote:
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.



Sorry, can't hear you over all of the heavy lifting equipment moving the frozen foods and building materials shipped in by Scope Works. Can you say that louder?
Matar Ronin
#30 - 2015-05-24 21:16:37 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.



If I'm not mistaken they're not using people associated with pyre to do the drops. Are people that terrified of airdropped food and supplies?

Please get up off your knees.

Stand up and face the realities of life on your feet.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2015-05-24 21:18:18 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Whether it was a terrorist attack or not its still our people being effected. Why should we not take what help we can get for our own? They sure can offer to help those on any Amarrian planet (which any aid would probably be intercepted mind you) but why reach out when there is need in their back yard? I'm not saying they should be praised for their generosity, but thanked, sure. They still oppose us or rather work for people opposed to us. But in the end aren't those who are safe with us still matter as much as those who we fight to obtain?

What does it say about us if we accept the wealth derived from the labor of our enslaved people to assist those of us enjoying emancipation?

The offer of assistance is the fruit of slave labor by our people held in the slavery cult empire and paid to their hired guns who would just as soon attack as help.

Can you say with any proof that the attackers of the facilities are not one and the same as these new benefactors?

Can you assure me that the supplies they offer are not laced with vitoc or some poison to harm the free people of the Republic?

Are you that trusting?

I am not.


Is the Yaken Clan employing slave labor? Am I employing slave labor? I can't speak for the Yaken Clan, but I can say I am obviously not. Whether they are responsible for the attacks, exactly what would they get out of an aid effort after the fact. Drugging the supplies? same response. What exactly would be gotten from it? If it was some Sansha thing then I'm sure they aren't looking for people effected by Vitoxin, they have TCMCs for that, which would make that rather pointless. Am I really that trusting, no I'm not. Do I see a reason for them to cause harm in this? Absolutely not. There would be no point to it aside from "haha!"

Perhaps the next incursion will take place in these stricken systems, have you considered that?


No I haven't considered that....
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2015-05-24 21:29:50 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.



If I'm not mistaken they're not using people associated with pyre to do the drops. Are people that terrified of airdropped food and supplies?

Please get up off your knees.

Stand up and face the realities of life on your feet.


Exactly what realities do I need to face? I've flown with our militia, I've watched my ships explode killing many of my crew and watched others get picked up by Amarrian warships for what fate I really don't want to think about. It hit a point I ordered cyanide capsules be issued to all my crew in case of that. We care so much about saving our own that we seem to neglect those who we already have saved. If I'm living on my knees by actively trying to support my people then call me an quadrapalegic...
Matar Ronin
#33 - 2015-05-24 21:32:29 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:
And you're Sansha's too?

Seriously, stay the f*** home.

Look, assuming you have the very best of intentions here, you have to realize your presence will inspire terror in a population of people that have already experienced severe trauma at the hands of mercs, Amarr and Sansha. Even if you cart in a year's worth of supplies, you will harm more than you help. You want to help Matari? Start by not being our enemy.

Yeah, we got some division. But again, that's for us to work out.



If I'm not mistaken they're not using people associated with pyre to do the drops. Are people that terrified of airdropped food and supplies?

Please get up off your knees.

Stand up and face the realities of life on your feet.


Exactly what realities do I need to face? I've flown with our militia, I've watched my ships explode killing many of my crew and watched others get picked up by Amarrian warships for what fate I really don't want to think about. It hit a point I ordered cyanide capsules be issued to all my crew in case of that. We care so much about saving our own that we seem to neglect those who we already have saved. If I'm living on my knees by actively trying to support my people then call me an quadrapalegic...

Forgive my sharp tongue, I was disrespectful, you deserve better, I apologize.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#34 - 2015-05-24 21:36:54 UTC
No problem, it happens...
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-05-25 02:21:43 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:

Sorry, can't hear you over all of the heavy lifting equipment moving the frozen foods and building materials shipped in by Scope Works. Can you say that louder?



I SAID, STAY HOME!


But if you feel you really need to throw away your ISK, go ahead. I work for NatFresh baby. We have this covered and I have places in the Federation that I got some additional supplies from. But if you want to waste the time and ISK to flood our markets with unneeded supplies go right ahead.

I told my people in NatFresh and they're going to coordinate with Customs to make sure any shipment from your "third-party" is clearly marked and kept seperate from NatFresh supplies. They may end up rotting before we get around to using them, but oh well. Thanks for the effort.

So yeah. In the future just send ISK. You'll step on less toes that way.

Maybe you, know...put on a benefit concert or something.

k'thanks.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2015-05-25 06:35:04 UTC
We are home - two systems from our FOB. Did you miss that part?

And if the locals won't handle the cargo, I have an elegant sufficiency of cargo dropships. Don't imagine for a second that we need Freshfoods assistance for any of our operations, be the humanitarian or... ...less humanitarian. Now, shall we can the BS and feed some people?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-05-25 13:34:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jili Tonari
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
We are home - two systems from our FOB. Did you miss that part?

And if the locals won't handle the cargo, I have an elegant sufficiency of cargo dropships. Don't imagine for a second that we need Freshfoods assistance for any of our operations, be the humanitarian or... ...less humanitarian. Now, shall we can the BS and feed some people?



This is all based on the rather stupid assumption that we can't feed our own people.

We can. Null effort.

You want to throw away food, go right ahead. Contract it to me, if you really want to make sure it gets to where it has to go. I'm all kinds of helpful.

You been in Amarr Militia too long. You starting to sound like them with their whole, "we know what's better for Matari" routine. They fit you with a collar yet?

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”
Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-05-25 14:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithrus
Jili Tonari wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
We are home - two systems from our FOB. Did you miss that part?

And if the locals won't handle the cargo, I have an elegant sufficiency of cargo dropships. Don't imagine for a second that we need Freshfoods assistance for any of our operations, be the humanitarian or... ...less humanitarian. Now, shall we can the BS and feed some people?



This is all based on the rather stupid assumption that we can't feed our own people.

We can. Null effort.

You want to throw away food, go right ahead. Contract it to me, if you really want to make sure it gets to where it has to go. I'm all kinds of helpful.

You been in Amarr Militia too long. You starting to sound like them with their whole, "we know what's better for Matari" routine. They fit you with a collar yet?


If you spent half as much energy demanding we stayed home by making your own thread, your own humanitarianism efforts, your own logistical support maybe we could take that on face value.

Till you have an alternative you are simply spitting coals for the sake of.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.
Matar Ronin
#39 - 2015-05-25 15:22:09 UTC
It is indeed a fool who believes that unless it is posted on IGS it is not happening.

Capsuleers are a tiny minority when compared to the vast numbers of normal human base-liners that inhabit the cluster. An appeal for aide for the distressed worlds in Republic space was disseminated amongst them and the response has been tremendous.

Perhaps I should have made a post about that but the Matari People Always step up to take care of their own.

So I must concur, we need no slavery cultists or their allies or coconspirators from the Sansha Nation using this as an excuse to scout about near the homes of the Matari people.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
#40 - 2015-05-25 15:41:48 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
It is indeed a fool who believes that unless it is posted on IGS it is not happening.

Capsuleers are a tiny minority when compared to the vast numbers of normal human base-liners that inhabit the cluster. An appeal for aide for the distressed worlds in Republic space was disseminated amongst them and the response has been tremendous.

Perhaps I should have made a post about that but the Matari People Always step up to take care of their own.

So I must concur, we need no slavery cultists or their allies or coconspirators from the Sansha Nation using this as an excuse to scout about near the homes of the Matari people.


You often speak of how the P.P.C will fail at achieving peace, and how such and such people are required to make peace and so on and so forth, but every time text comes out've your Neocom or words come out've your mouth, you speak/write as a man who despises peace.

"I give to you the destiny of Faith,

And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:

Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."

- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13