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Blaster Proteus as incursion dps
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Aessa Valente
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-05 20:46:23 UTC
Just wondering how good are blaster proteus after the patch?
can they be compared to legion on incursion dps? (or should I just go train for legions)
also if you got some good fits, please share them :)
thank you!
Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club
#2 - 2011-12-05 21:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Caretaking Sunofabitcch Quigglywobbl
Aessa Valente wrote:
Just wondering how good are blaster proteus after the patch?
can they be compared to legion on incursion dps? (or should I just go train for legions)
also if you got some good fits, please share them :)
thank you!

No.

They didn't make blasters that good. In fact, they are only marginally better than they was b4.

Edit: I meant "no", as in "dont use that **** yo".

Use a megathron. (the best ships for incursions have always been battleships)
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-12-05 21:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
proteus is awesome, always has been.
however, the average IQ of incursion runners is about 25 so they lack the imagination to move their ships, which you need to do in a proteus, so they will give you **** for doing so.

Quote:
Use a megathron. (the best ships for incursions have always been battleships)


i physically LOLed.
try contesting a site with a BS fleet vs. T3/CS fleet and let me know how it goes.

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Necron Eternal
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-05 21:41:22 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
proteus is awesome, always has been.
however, the average IQ of incursion runners is about 25 so they lack the imagination to move their ships, which you need to do in a proteus, so they will give you **** for doing so.

Quote:
Use a megathron. (the best ships for incursions have always been battleships)


i physically LOLed.
try contesting a site with a BS fleet vs. T3/CS fleet and let me know how it goes.


Hi my Mach and Nightmare fleet says whats up!
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-05 21:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Legion is the best and most comfortable to fly due to low ammo consumption but Proteus is close behind as long as you do mostly NCOs. Most Sanshas even come into web range on their own if you position yourself a bit forward towards the spawning point.

T3/CS are ideal for NCOs, BS are better for the other two Vanguards. I've yet to see a BS fleet that stood even a slight chance at winning in a contested NCO.
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#6 - 2011-12-05 22:11:54 UTC
It's viable but nothing special.
Aessa Valente
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-12-05 22:57:45 UTC
so most people in t3 will be like 'ewwww a proteus~ we only take amarr victors'
while BS gangs will be like 'herpderpt3wenolieku'
something like that?
guess I will go train for legion lol
SpaceSquirrels
#8 - 2011-12-05 23:00:14 UTC
Incursion people have the mentality of wow Raid runners. Meaning extremely anal and inflexible if something doesn't happen in an xyz fashion or fit.

It's not bad, just what sets it apart? A loki can web far etc no need for a 60km point in an incursions. What im saying is whats the prot bringing to the table that something else is not?
Aessa Valente
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-05 23:10:20 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Incursion people have the mentality of wow Raid runners. Meaning extremely anal and inflexible if something doesn't happen in an xyz fashion or fit.

It's not bad, just what sets it apart? A loki can web far etc no need for a 60km point in an incursions. What im saying is whats the prot bringing to the table that something else is not?

pure, innocent child's laughter?

tyty I think I got your point, but then the harder part is to prove what I can bring is valid and very important in that fleet to those wow-mentality runners... thats tough!!

thanks for all the extremely helpful comments :)
Staeosus Tan
Smokedancers
#10 - 2011-12-08 17:05:15 UTC
Aessa Valente wrote:
Just wondering how good are blaster proteus after the patch?
can they be compared to legion on incursion dps? (or should I just go train for legions)
also if you got some good fits, please share them :)
thank you!

Blaster Proteus has beastly dps.
In an NCO, the targets die so quickly you will have a hard time applying the proteus' potential DPS, even with MWD. With a good T3 fleet, you get one weapon cycle per target. Maybe. Effectively, you will be applying your DPS in falloff. You'll still outdamage most battleships, but the Loki/Legion will do more for helping a fleet win a contested site.
In NMC's and OTA's, many of the targets are larger, so you will have time to MWD to the target and melt stuff. However, the spawn can be 70+ km from the warp-in, so even with an MWD there will be a significant amount of time when other ships get to apply damage while you get to watch the show.
If you are used to flying blaster boats, none of this is news to you. The difference is that in an incursion, if you are contesting a site, you either get 100% payout or 0% payout. If every person in the fleet doesn't bring their best game, then the odds start shifting away from your fleet.
Ultimately, its about you having fun, tho. You will get in fleets with a proteus, and you will contribute a lot to the fleet. Your fleet will probably lose contests to a legion blitz fleet, but do just fine the rest of the time. You will end up spending a little more time looking for a fleet, until you have a group of friends that will pick you up as soon as you log in.
If the un-fun of losing those contests against legion blitz fleets + the un-fun of a little additional time looking for a fleet is outweighed by the fun of zoom-zoom BWAHAHA MELT FACE! repeat, then I suggest going proteus.
Goose99
#11 - 2011-12-08 17:13:57 UTC
Aessa Valente wrote:
so most people in t3 will be like 'ewwww a proteus~ we only take amarr victors'
while BS gangs will be like 'herpderpt3wenolieku'
something like that?
guess I will go train for legion lol


Can't contest NCO/NMC sites against Legion fleets with BS fleet. Except with armor Mach, but only because locking time/handling/tracking doesn't feel like that of a BS, but rather that of a hull one size smaller. Absolution can also be good if fit correctly.

Oh yeah, blasters still fail.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-12-08 20:14:17 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
proteus is awesome, always has been.
however, the average IQ of incursion runners is about 25 so they lack the imagination to move their ships, which you need to do in a proteus, so they will give you **** for doing so.



It paints a rather clear picture of your mental capabilities to understand the incursion mechanics if you honestly claim that the low-rating of proteus is because of lack of imagination or "skills" from the incursion fleet FCs. Afterall the issue with proteus and all smaller then BS-class ships is due to the fact that on 2 sites out of 3 you have to fire on targets closing in from 70km+.

Obviously the smaller size weapons have a certain issues there and blasters have even more range issues in comparison to ACs and Pulse lasers.

If you think its "awesome skills" to first burn towards the incoming enemies before being able to lay down effective dps ... well ... cant really say much about that ... your statement kinda speaks for itself.

Btw ... even in a BS heavy fleet you normally dont get more then 1 max 2 volleys off with BS-pulses before frigate targets are down. Those targets usually get burned off the skies when they MWD in towards the fleet with nice fat sigs.
Keat0n
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-09 01:32:30 UTC
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-12-09 01:34:34 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
proteus is awesome, always has been.
however, the average IQ of incursion runners is about 25 so they lack the imagination to move their ships, which you need to do in a proteus, so they will give you **** for doing so.


It paints a rather clear picture of your mental capabilities to understand the incursion mechanics if you honestly claim that the low-rating of proteus is because of lack of imagination or "skills" from the incursion fleet FCs. Afterall the issue with proteus and all smaller then BS-class ships is due to the fact that on 2 sites out of 3 you have to fire on targets closing in from 70km+.

Obviously the smaller size weapons have a certain issues there and blasters have even more range issues in comparison to ACs and Pulse lasers.

If you think its "awesome skills" to first burn towards the incoming enemies before being able to lay down effective dps ... well ... cant really say much about that ... your statement kinda speaks for itself.

Btw ... even in a BS heavy fleet you normally dont get more then 1 max 2 volleys off with BS-pulses before frigate targets are down. Those targets usually get burned off the skies when they MWD in towards the fleet with nice fat sigs.



why thank you for clarifying such deep and difficult things to understand.
oh wait... you mention running OTAs in T3 fleets....
my mistake, i thought you were defending the intelligence of incursion runners but apparently youre backing up my 'IQ of 25' argument with an example.
t3 fleets should stick to NCOs where they belong, just like BS fleets should stick to OTAs where they belong.

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