Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That is one ship I have thought about flying for a long while now. I'll have to give it a shot when I finish this deployment. It sounds as though it will suit a certain patient play style of which I am very fond.

When your saying "merge", are we to expect that say the Nanofiber Plates will become what is currently the Meta 3 Module (Crystaline Carbonide Plate), and this combined item gets its name changed, stats adjusted and becomes a Meta 1 Item (it keeps its old TypeID and so on), or those two old modules combined become a new module that will have a new ID, and the balanced stats. Previous rounds with module tiericide, we had every item listed and what they would become, but when you write it this way its not really clear what the exact database entry will change to.

This actually have a large effect on market. Because on patch day, if its a new typeID, no items will be listed on any market and instead be moved+combined in hangars all across the universe. It will create a large vacuum on item values when there isn't any way of listing what the previous values used to be before the patch. Obviously people will adapt quick in market hubs, but you can sort of manipulate the market very easy in lower activity regions.

Vlad has a good point there. Speed is by far the most valuable, meaningful stat, and Armor is penalized in that category too severely.

The meta is already too kitey, this will make it worse.

rigs give you most of the penalties, not plates/extenders

Welcome to eve online where ccp says **** everyone that isn't a null bear 99% of the time

I didn't argue that, I clearly pointed out that T2 plates got shafted obviously while shields got buffed through the roof.

Non T2 plates didn't need nerfing, there was nothing wrong with them, in FW I hardly see plates used at all anymore because people would rather run AAR's because AAR's don't give mass penalties which results in heavy speed and agility penalties. I don't use the punisher anymore for 2 reasons, 1. it has no ability for utilities, 2. its forced to be flown one way and its slow as hell.

I've seen people run 200mm plated condors so they can fill their mids with utilities because thats how hard you can gimp things to work in extraneous ways. This doesn't call for a meta plate nerf that doesn't solve anything, its not OP at all and a small shield extender with these changes would poison that anyway. There is nothing OP about 400mm plates purely because of that speed and agility loss. yea your signature is slightly lower but does it matter at all when you're far less agile? its counter intuitive.

Kiting metas and kiting ships should have been left to a skill based thing where pilots could out fly others purely because they actually know how to fly their ships. Not this implicated kite role that makes even the most mindless set ups able to kite about.

Wanna run an armor kite ship? don't run a plate or trimarks because you're shooting yourself in the foot right off the bat.



I'd argue that with the mass penalty of plates you're adopting agility loss which means you align slower, your acceleration and deceleration is slower and your overall speed is less. Its a double whammy and it has ruined armor meta in the game in favor of kite shield ships that can load their lows with damage and tracking mods and fill their mids with all the tank in the world. This is particularly where the Kiting Shield Ishtar doctrines come from. 5 mids 5 lows, they fill their mids with dual shield extenders, and resist mods to fill gaps. Lows are either 4 drone damage amps and a nano, DCU or shield flux coil.

Why aren't they running armor ishtars? because they're objectively worse. Low speed, low agility, less damage than the shield set up and they're prone to sitting still because their speed is so low and they will get spiked by other ships because they're standing virtually still in comparison. Yea you can fill your mids with utilities but in this example, Heavy drones don't really need the assist, nor do geckos or even sentries, yea they help but its obviously not required.

Would be cool to have details: What is turned into what? And I mean in a general sense, we never get told how the transformation process will work.
Also, what about the cases where a new module appears? Like prop mods I believe.

This^

- Meta modules:
Compact: Lower fitting requirements
Restrained: Lower drawbacks

Please try to get something with a bit more scifi flavor. I'm sure you can find an engineer or three for ideas:

Compact -> Micro/Nano (same functionality, less use of fittings)
Restrained -> Enhanced/Optimized/Advanced (if I understood correctly, the item is not actually "restrained", the item is "enhanced" or optimized in such a way that its drawbacks are reduced or restrained)

Not a huge fan of the plate nerfs (non faction) from a raw HP standpoint... they didn't feel broken before - and they gave fleets a reason to fit armor buffer over shield.

From a shield standpoint, looks cool.

Is this on purpose, since you're going to be introducing sov mechanics that will favor nimble multi-pronged attacks; and thus are buffing shield / kiting / sig radius based tactics?

If so, what niche would you see armor fleets fulfilling?

I see some issues in the module list you provided.
You forgot to put there :
- Sansha/Serpentis Armor Plates
- Angel/Guristas Shield Extenders