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Solo non PVP player looking for direction

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Jack Jomar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2015-05-15 09:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Jomar
There are two obvious ways to play solo PvE without being combatant.

Industry
Finance

The break down a little.

Industry:

Mining
Manufacturing
Research and Development


Finance:

Contracting
Trading


There is also a Logistics line, which is self explanatory which sits somewhere between the two - hauling goods to various locations, either as a haulier, or transporting your own products for sale.

Let's go a little further in.

Mining is self explanatory but you can mine in high sec (safe and dull) low sec (pretty fun, sometimes dull) or nullsec (quite involved, bit dull, bit interesting).

However, mining is known for being boring as sin - easy money in high sec as long as you don't do something dumb - just watch out for gankers who enjoy podding you.

Manufacturing - you can break into a number of markets here - either using your own mined resources, or buying the materials and using them to construct items/gear.
As for the products you make, you can build basic t1 gear, advanced t2 gear, or difficult to resource t3 gear.
either acquiring the resources yourself, or purchasing them from the market from those who have.

I'll also include planetary interaction under this heading as PI is a way to manufacture some goods/components that can reasonably done single player style. Ish.


R&D is basically invention and is necessary to build/acquire tech 2 or higher equipment. This can make a mint as you acquire the needed blueprints and materials necessary to build this advanced technology.
Alternately you can use research to improve existing blueprint originals of t1 or better equipment, and then make copies of these improve blueprints to sell the copies on the market.

These three generic professions tend to intermix quite a lot.
And if you want to self-source materials for t3 (and sometimes t2) gear, you'll need to break into exploration using probing mechanics and maybe dive into wormhole space. Possible to solo to a limited degree if you have the skills/funds, but it's extremely high risk, and debatable reward at the levels where soloing is possible - to get the most out of it requires others to work with you.


As for finance and trade, you can acquire goods and contract them on the market as auction if they're rare enough or direct trade at reasonable prices if not.
or you can play the market prospecting on the values of various items or resources, buying low, selling high, and watching patch notes to figure out how market values will fluctuate.
As the game meta changes for combat (especially in null) you'll see shifts in the pricing of desired equipment and ships.

The market will also fluctuate in response to the supply of mined minerals. This is especially true of ice and ice products, as has been proven in previous years by certain events. Many people have made serious bank by prospecting on events like burn jita, or ice interdictions.


You can also solo run missions/basic exploration where you'll encounter NPC pirates which you will have to kill to earn your cash. For non-multiperson gaming, the best you'll find is various level 4s or other similar content. My earlier comments on exploration and wormholes will still hold water in this regard.

For combat content, there is a certain point you cannot progress past successfully (at a reasonable price, or in some cases any price) without other players to back you up.
And you'd best avoid faction warfare as, in the main, that is pvp.



As for a solo POS, you *will* need to make a single-man corp to do it, and you will need to generate standings (fastest way to do this is run combat missions for an NPC empire corp) and manufacture fuel (either by manufacturing them, or buying them). And then you will need to keep it fuelled and supplied and equipped to do what you need it to do (such as research, manufacturing, mining, etc).
as a single person corp you'll have to look out for wardecs and people who want to shoot your POS (which in highsec is usually just for "lulz" or because they want that spot for their own POS).



In all honesty, this *is* an mmo, and most players get more community and enjoyment from being in a multi-person corp and working/talking with other players while online. It's certainly a way to learn more about the game too (and you get more protection from hostiles this way as well).

However, if you can successfully enjoy soloing a game like EVE, then power to you.



EDIT: There are changes to structures coming that may affect POSes (or even affect whether or not POSes exist in game, or are replaced by something else).
You may want to read up on these dev blogs and watch the videos from fanfest to educate yourself further on the matter.
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#22 - 2015-05-15 09:53:08 UTC
Errende Ebecee wrote:
Quiick Jones wrote:
What can a solo pacifist do?


A good chunk of wormhole content. All exploration content. Everything that involves shooting AI, which is a lot(security missions, ratting, anoms, even Incursions to an extent). All mining content. All of missioning. All of industry. All of research. All of trading. All of PI.



Finally answer to what OP asked. It is so unbelievable to me how PvP oriented players arogant and short minded about this beautifull game...

I think I understand how OP feels. I was looking for a place in the universe, that I can call my home untill I found such couple of constallations in gallente high sec, that offer L4 security missions, plenty of belts / anomalies / signatures with few 0 production costs systems and, what is most important, only 10-15 people online. I mean online in whole constallation.

So I can really mine without risk of CODE. interfierence, manufacture all I want with low cost (plenty of place to set the POS), explore all day long untouched signatures (when I first came into the pocket there was like 20 anomalies + signatures in most systems, barely fited my monitor). If I want missioning - there is a L4 security agent to work for. And L4 missions, done in differently fitted ships can give you different experiende, so it is not all that boring if you switch to some other activity from time to time. And since there is plenty of signatures - I can wormhole dive as long as I want. And wormholes are gates to ever changing content as well.

Incursions are not solo, trading is not PvE. Space tourism, making fotos of you and different celestial object is probably most relaxing and amusing PvE for me :))). But sooner or later you want to get place you can call 'home'. And POS, even if it does not give you profit, can be one. So POS just for 'having a home' purpose is perfectly legit goal, IMHO.

PS: I do PvP from time to time, as member of FW corp. It is fun, yes, but please, please do not condemn players, who avoid this kind of activity. Eve is not a shooter, there is plenty of environment to explore and enjoy. Sooner or later (as in my case, much later ;) carebare WILL get into PvP )
Solecist Project
#23 - 2015-05-15 12:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
So now people argue about how a word is being used ...
... when it's obvious that it is being used wrongly?

When someone uses a word, others don't adapt to what he meant.
When he uses it wrongly, he has to correct his wrong understanding.


What can solo pacifist do?


Learn what actually PvP means ...
... and die like the rest of them. Ingame, ofc!

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-05-15 13:10:18 UTC
I have no idea why people get so worked up about solo play in EVE.

Sure, the social element is probably the best part of the game, but by no means the only good one.


OP, Jack's answer above is pretty exhaustive.

If you enjoy industry, you can do almost anything by yourself (alts help a lot, obviously), including managing a POS (though do the math to see if you really need one) or even build capital ships.


Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not.

Because for a few industrial activities you'll need relations with people, even if only in a 'professional' sense. For example to sell capital ships (best to have customers you talk to) or to build supercaps (for this you need a nullsec alliance to want to work with you, I'd assume it's quite hard but if you're good at what you do you'll have a chance).

Other than these kind of activities, you can build just about anything alone, do the logistics yourself and just sell it all 'anonymously' in Jita or wherever.

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Oraac Ensor
#25 - 2015-05-15 14:20:48 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not.

I don't think anyone ever means that when referring to EVE. That would mean never buying anything meaningful from the market other than skill books and only selling the stuff that's bought only by NPCs. It's virtually impossible.

In the OP's case he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
#26 - 2015-05-15 15:28:27 UTC
Quiick Jones wrote:
I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that.

I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on.

Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)?

What can a solo pacifist do?

Thanks,


There are lots of people who play this game who dont play well with others. People frequently set up their own corps where it is just them and their alts. I've known/seen guys with multiple alts all mining, doing industry, etc. . . . If that's your thing, do it - it can be very profitable. Just keep in mind that you will not be able to avoid other players. Eventually pvp in one form or another will find you - be it market pvp where someone is trying to undercut your prices or actual pvp from a ganker, war deccer or random pirate.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#27 - 2015-05-15 17:05:29 UTC
If you don't want to interact with other players:

Step 1: Stop playing this game.

Step 2: Buy Skyrim

Step 3: Play Skyrim, it's good
Oraac Ensor
#28 - 2015-05-15 17:35:00 UTC
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If you don't want to interact with other players . . .

Oraac Ensor wrote:
. . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-05-15 19:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If you don't want to interact with other players . . .

Oraac Ensor wrote:
. . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?

Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp.

Quote:
I don't plan to join a corp


I'm not going to bother defending myself against your other statements. You said in your posts that you understand what pvp is, and my post gave non-combat options for engaging in it. I'm glad we're in agreement.

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Quiick Jones
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-05-15 20:34:05 UTC
Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players.

I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-05-15 22:00:13 UTC
Quiick Jones wrote:
Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players.

I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance.
Thanks for clarifying.

In that case, you could even find a corp of like-minded people!

I'm a proud member of my pvp corp/alliance/militia and I enjoy pewing with my mates, but I spend lots of time solo (probably over 50% of my playtime), both solo pvp-ing and also manufacturing and trading on my alts. Works perfectly, no one ever complained because I was off doing my own thing. On the other hand, I'm happy to help and participate in important ops when I'm on.

So yeah, I confirm you can do lots of stuff on your own and at the same time collaborate with people when you feel like it.

Have fun, your own way.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2015-05-15 23:28:11 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
GordonO wrote:
I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. Roll

How, exactly?

Well if he helped him then he would be working with him thus breaking the OP's rule. You have answered your own question. It seems self evident to me not sure how you are questioning that one.


Oraac Ensor wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there.

Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market.

I suppose you did read the OP?

That's exactly what he's enquiring about.

And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP".

This is a common misconception in my opinion. Most people assume that everyone else knows what they know and think that their knowledge base and their perspective is shared by everyone. So when some asks legitimate questions or tries to clarify certain points they think they are being coy or manipulative when they are genuinely looking for a more clear understanding.

I know your comment was not directed at me but I had similar comments. I can only speak for myself but my comments were definitely intended as a point of clarification.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2015-05-15 23:35:58 UTC
Errende Ebecee wrote:


I would say that, despite cries to the contrary, about 3/4 of content in EVE does not involve shooting other players, or even coming into open conflict with them.

I mean, sure, if you come to a high-sec belt to kill some rats, but another player was there before you and already killed them, I guess you could call it "high sec belt ratting PvP"... if you really wanted to. But by that logic even World of Warcraft is a open world PvP game.

WoW does not have a market economy of player created items like Eve does. Sure WoW has the AH and there are some player created items on it but you can play all of WoW very easily without ever using the auction house. You could do the same in Eve in theory but it would be double digit exponentially harder.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-05-15 23:44:24 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:


The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible.

I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT.

The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence.

So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things.

Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. I personally define PvP as any activity in which you are attempting to gain an advantage or win or otherwise compete with other players. Under that definition two players could help each other out by "testing fits" and shooting at each other all day long and not be PvPing since neither was trying to win or beat the other.

On the flip side of that you could be sitting in station in jita all day long playing the lower by 1 isk game and be PvPing all day.

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Oraac Ensor
#35 - 2015-05-15 23:46:59 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Lost Greybeard wrote:
If you don't want to interact with other players . . .

Oraac Ensor wrote:
. . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?

Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp.

Quote:
I don't plan to join a corp

Irrelevant - he clearly indicates that although he doesn't want to join a corp he is perfectly willing to enter into an arrangement with one and therefore is not averse to interacting with other players.
Oraac Ensor
#36 - 2015-05-16 00:10:27 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
GordonO wrote:
I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. Roll

How, exactly?

Well if he helped him then he would be working with him thus breaking the OP's rule. You have answered your own question. It seems self evident to me not sure how you are questioning that one.

The OP is asking for advice and has indicated a willingness to work with other players. What "rule" would be broken by offering the advice he asks for?
Oraac Ensor
#37 - 2015-05-16 00:11:44 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there.

Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market.

I suppose you did read the OP?

That's exactly what he's enquiring about.

And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP".

This is a common misconception in my opinion. Most people assume that everyone else knows what they know and think that their knowledge base and their perspective is shared by everyone. So when some asks legitimate questions or tries to clarify certain points they think they are being coy or manipulative when they are genuinely looking for a more clear understanding.

That's a game to be played in GD, not NCQ&A.
Oraac Ensor
#38 - 2015-05-16 00:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:


The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible.

I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT.

The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence.

So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things.

Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. I personally define PvP as any activity in which you are attempting to gain an advantage or win or otherwise compete with other players. Under that definition two players could help each other out by "testing fits" and shooting at each other all day long and not be PvPing since neither was trying to win or beat the other.

On the flip side of that you could be sitting in station in jita all day long playing the lower by 1 isk game and be PvPing all day.

Thank you for yet another excellent illustration of the deliberate misinterpretation that I am referring to.

[Edit] And how would you know what my definition of PvP is when I haven't stated it anywhere in this forum?
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#39 - 2015-05-16 01:19:11 UTC
OP,

Welcome to Eve! As a relatively new player myself I decided after being in a player corp to simply make my own. Where I live I formed a few friendships with the locals and I share bookmarks and stuff to sites I can't run and they help me out with my little industrial things and offer tons of advice.

Dunno why people knock solo. Best of luck

@lunettelulu7

Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#40 - 2015-05-16 01:47:57 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:

So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things.

Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times.

Ha ... I gave up a long time ago.

The problem is that there's no end to the supply of these people.

Ignorance is Strength.
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