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Query about the GIla.
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Melody Axon
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#1 - 2015-05-12 01:36:21 UTC
Yes, I posted this on reddit. Yes I expect to receive negative feedback, but I'm hoping that maybe, just maybe, on the EVE-forums I might actually get some actual reasons why this is a bad idea. And if this has already been proposed, I am sorry. So, with this introduction out of the way, onto the show.

There are always people going on about how certain ships are OP and the Gila is one of the ones that is always brought up. I've been playing around with some EFT fits for different ships, and when coming to the Gila I noticed something that I feel could be changed for a subtle, but possibly effective, nerf on the Gila. The drone bay.

The Worm gets 2.5 flights of bonused drones (25 m3/10 m3)

The Rattlesnake gets 3.5 flights of bonused drones (175 m3/50 m3)

The Gila, this apparently OP cruiser, gets FIVE flights of bonused drones (100 m3/20 m3).

So, denizens of the EVE forums. Do you think a small nerf in a reduction of the drone bay of the Gila to 60 m3 (giving 3 flights of bonused drones, to bring it in line between the Worm (frigate) and Rattlesnake (BS) would bring the Gila down a little bit in its dominance?

I personally feel it would be a good change, as it would still allow for a variety of drones to be carried along, while also increasing the viability of actually shooting down the Gila's drones to reduce the incoming damage.

So, thoughts?
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#2 - 2015-05-12 01:42:14 UTC
IMO, great. Would prefer to take it to 70, thus it has at most 3.5 flights of the biggest it can use, or 2.5 and a full flight of lights.

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Melody Axon
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3 - 2015-05-12 01:57:00 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
IMO, great. Would prefer to take it to 70, thus it has at most 3.5 flights of the biggest it can use, or 2.5 and a full flight of lights.


Yeah, that makes sense. I was thinking somewhere between 50 and 70, 60 just made sense to me because it's halfway between the frigate and BS in terms of bonused flights ;)
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#4 - 2015-05-12 02:04:02 UTC
Sapported.

Grave inconsistency.

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Onslaughtor
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2015-05-12 03:04:44 UTC
Agreed. It would be a nice small balance that would see the ship be less powerful to clever or appropriately prepared pilots.
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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-05-12 05:48:47 UTC
A small and subtle change that could have a very large effect on how the ship is flown. The drones are already incredibly hard to kill just based on raw HP (Remember that the HP increase also increases the shield's passive recharge strength, and now that caldari drone's aren't ****, they are able to tank some serious smartbomb damage and put out some good damage while they do it.). So, I feel that a change that forces pilots to put more thought into the drones they want to bring, and in how they use those drones that they do, is good.

The drone bay of 70 sounds good to me, it puts the gila almost in line with the other two but also creates that tactical choice of more mediums or a flight of unbonused lights or ec-300s.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#7 - 2015-05-12 08:32:13 UTC
Seems reasonable.

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FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#8 - 2015-05-12 08:53:40 UTC
seems reasonable!
Melody Axon
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#9 - 2015-05-12 11:13:54 UTC
Thanks for the constructive ideas and support guys, I feel like this would be a small yet effective change to the Gila that would make engaging one more viable, and force a medium of choice onto the Gila pilot instead of them just being able to bring everything to the party. :)
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#10 - 2015-05-12 12:45:44 UTC
wouldn't stop it being OP though.. also think the uber drone thing is a silly gimmick that just makes them more OP than actually add any gameplay, also allows easy use of expensive drones...

until gila doesn't do more dps (650 ish) or tank better than a bc.. then they will always be OP

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-05-12 12:50:28 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
wouldn't stop it being OP though.. also think the uber drone thing is a silly gimmick that just makes them more OP than actually add any gameplay, also allows easy use of expensive drones...

until gila doesn't do more dps (650 ish) or tank better than a bc.. then they will always be OP


The gila's drones are not as ridic when killing them is a viable option. Currently, you have to go through so many of them to declaw it it's absurd.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#12 - 2015-05-12 13:11:40 UTC
i think the normal 10% medium drone damage/HP on 5 drones is the better choice with a set of spares.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2015-05-12 14:05:00 UTC
+1
so many times when fighting a gila you end up just shooting wave after wave of drones
cut the op excess number down and people will have to look after their drones instead of throwing them at people in a steady stream of hp's
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#14 - 2015-05-12 14:07:10 UTC
How about giving the Rattlesnake a bigger dronebay instead of complaining about pirate ships.

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#15 - 2015-05-12 15:56:58 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
How about giving the Rattlesnake a bigger dronebay instead of complaining about pirate ships.

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#16 - 2015-05-12 15:58:52 UTC
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
How about giving the Rattlesnake a bigger dronebay instead of complaining about pirate ships.

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Be vigilant, people.

Vigilants kill gila drones like blap blap.

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motie one
Secret Passage
#17 - 2015-05-12 19:52:01 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
No not supported.

Sorry you are having problems fighting this ship, but trying alternative tactics may help.

Different ships with different flavours is a great design, nerfing them all down to a flavourless gruel is not.

Or do you believe that missile ships should only be able to carry three reloads too?

After all do you think that ships spewing neverending streams of missiles are overpowered for PVP?

No?

Try fighting the ship and not the weapon, sorry if you have to think differently from fighting other drone boats.

Besides, with an appropriate weapon system, Gila drones are just more gristly meat to the grinder.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-05-12 20:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
motie one wrote:
Try fighting the ship and not the weapon, sorry if you have to think differently from fighting other drone boats.

In case of drone ships, fighting the weapon is the easiest way to fight the ship. I trust you know that. Roll However, having fought against a pair of unsupported Gilas just recently, I think their damage is indeed staggering but their tank is all but overwhelming.

On the other hand, having a cruiser with larger drone hold for such beasts of drones (due to ship bonuses) than Battleships is really off. These Guristas ships are supposed to have a very limited number of drones in their holds and the Gila kind of ignores that pattern.

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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2015-05-12 21:35:37 UTC
75m3

5 mediums + 5 smalls.

Not sure what i'm doing here since don't fly Gurista's ships.Cool

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Alexis Nightwish
#20 - 2015-05-12 21:41:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Nightwish
I've said before that drone cruisers (not really the Gila, but it's bonuses are too high IMO) have way too much bandwidth, but CCP loves em so we'll never see this fixed.


Tristan: 25mb
Algos: 35mb <-- Why this isn't 40mb, I don't know
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Myrmidon: 100mb
Dominix/Armageddon: 125mb <-- why only here do Amarr compare to Gallente in bandwidth, I don't know

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