Player Features and Ideas Discussion

On my own means that I need to use 3 accounts at least. . On my own means that I do not trust anyone to web my freighters and that I have to do it with my own chars in order to keep them 99.9% safe. On my own means that I do not trust anyone to light a cyno for my JF/Carrier/Dread/other things without checking myself where the cyno is and in most cases I have to the cynos myself, which means a lot of chars, in order to keep my belongings 99.9% safe. This is "on my own". No JF works in its intended ways without help as for the above reasons. Where this help comes from, whether it's unreliable, untrustworthy strangers or my own assets of a trusted community, does not matter at all.

"On my own" does not mean that I want total safety. This proposal, however, is beyond all tenable precariousness.


Are you nuts? Have you even tried to move a JF through Niarja or Uedama for once when there are some bumpers around. Can you even imagine what kind of adrenaline rushes through your veins when you see that the bumper picks up speed and locks you? Or when your webber is out of range you just barely make it to web your JF in warp before the first bump lands? Or when all of a sudden Dreads appear behind your JF on the undock and bump you, both of you knowing full well that the undock range is just a couple of kilometers. Or when a titan warps in and you just sit there, hammering the Warp Abort button while the ominous glow of the DD builds up and you just pray that there's no lag. Or when you see a couple of red flashy pirates sitting on the station you want to cyno in and you know what they are up to (bumping your ship off the station as soon as it cynos in or when it tries to warp to the high sec gate) and you do not do anything and just let them rot on the undock. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about as you clearly have never experienced this kind of thrill.
I have and I can tell you, it is better than anything else in this game. I don't care if I lose a 300M Ishtar/Eagle or a 600M Legion/Machariel in a fleet fight; however, I do absolutely feel a horrendous blood rush when I move freighters with double or high single digit billions through space, or JF through systems with known titan/super pilots where you need to warp to gates and kind of expect these big toys to uncloak and start pounding you.

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The only risk in this game is ISK and pride. You losing your JF hits me as hard as me losing an Astero. It is all relative to the assets you have in the game. My entire experience with JF's is seeming them pop into existance at the undock of LS stations in almost empty systems. It lookes pretty safe from where I am at.

Can't you just avoid Niarja and Uedama in a Jump Freigter? Isn't that what they are for?

Should I believe:


Are jump freighters 99.9% risk free ships that you can operate without help or does the fact that a paltry number of them dying in low sec to a group who is specialized at killing them evidence that they are 0.01% dangerous? Hmmm . . .

The Eve economy pretty much depends on Freighters and Jump Freighters being 99.9% safe. Do you want everything in the game to cost 10x as much? If you make these ships killable, that's exactly what will happen.

So, now I need 3 accounts to earn some money? Guess, I need to buy some PC upgrades after all.

Besides of that: 10 km from a Minmatar Tradepost puts the cyno a lot closer to the station (15 km more or less) than 10 km from an Amarr Military Station or Caldari Administrative station (between 30-40 km from the station). What kind of random safety is that?

Also, do you intend to push independent haulers out of business? I know for a matter of fact that I will not allow anyone except for my alts to touch my JF just because either some people simply feel the need for easy content to make their members happy or because some people know how to play the game properly. By the looks of it, you want to turn already tedious, laborious, time-consuming, ISK intensive, little appreciated, highly undervalued and underestimated work into the mess that moving super caps is. Fantastic.

The mistake that OP makes is believing that people would still bring their jump freighters into lowsec, lining them up simply for his destructive pleasure. They would not. Lowsec trade would shrivel and die (properly die, not just the slightly dead state it is in now) and nullsec freight would be the province of larger groups only.

So no, I don't think this is a good idea.

On the game mechanics side, I see the point in not allowing people to go right to a station. Eventually everyone will just use jump capable ships to move goods, which is crippling to the economy, and the PVP side of the game.

Maybe you should learn something about economies, then. The safer goods hauling is, the more stuff saturates the market. The more stuff saturates the market, the lower the price of a good, and therefore the move volume you must sell to make the same profit. I assume you're the same type of person who still mines veldspar even when trit is crashing.

An expanding economy (more goods and services) does not have to mean lower prices and is not a bad thing. People both in game and IRL do not want less goods and services, they want more. From this the idea the more goods is somehow bad is simply laughable. And an expanding economy does not have to result in reduced prices.

Markets tend to be self-correcting as well.[1] If too much is produced then the price reduction is to clear the market and signal people producing in that market to leave that market. Just as if prices increase it signals people to enter that market to produce more. So prices cannot just decrease without end...or if they are it is indicative of a more serious problem like a contraction of the money supply which can lead to deflation.

And in any event JFs do not produce in game goods. A JF moves goods around the economy getting it from sellers to final buyers. There are a number of JF pilots who are probably best described as engaged in arbitrage. They buy in Jita at a given price and then move their goods to NS where they can charge a higher price. This is not producing goods, but is instead essentially a service.

has it ever occured there are reasons some systems are empty?