Wormholes

As much as it pains me to say; this guy is right.

Really sad to see the little entitled blue-circle that w-space culture is turning into these days.[/quote]

We can and I'm sure we will. Corbexx is a kewl dude and we can access him via many means. He's pretty responsive.

He's been excluded from one WH diplo chan based on the fact it will be used - like the last one was - for catching and murdering nullbears. Amongst other things. There's not even a denial from him that he wouldn't betray the trust inherent in his presence there next time the ping goes out for a ratting carrier tackled in Deklein.

Assuming it's not just bait ofc :)

This is Eve. Trust is a rare commodity. Corbexx muddied those waters with his own actions. Childishness in this thread from some aside, I find it difficult to oppose the democratic decision made by the people that created/run that chan.

We can just mail the best WH CSM we've ever had, no?

Look at you being all serious and stuff again :)

Will do though... Think about it that is.

I think it's a little more complicated than that. Maybe it needn't be; but, well... It just is. Ha.

Still, this is about a goonswarm member not being allowed access into some sort of wormhole diplo channel (which is total bullshit because i've never been invited and i am the most diplomatic person around totes) in that regard i think it's fine that Corbexx not be allowed into it.

He can always make his own 'wh csm stuff' channel and invite all the other relevant people (but not me because i don't want to be part of everyones channels anyway, because they're stupid)

But starting this thread seems kind of melodramatic, i didn't even need to read the replies to know most of it was going to be "CSM, this, Betrayal That, blahblah my feels and stuff" . . . what was my point again. . . . . oh right. This is all stupid and everyone needs a group unbunching of their panties.

I think Iyokus is right and Dusette is right and I'm Absolutely Certain that the lack of invite to a prolapser is an oversight that will be seen to forthwith.

Leaving a thread with Erica and the word panties in it because my collar has become very tight all of a sudden.

And it's late.

Word + Feels.

These people are so out of touch.

Corbexx 4 CSM11 - "Providing content in wormholes since YC...FOREVER"

Wormholes really are dead... again... again. Nice job making another useless channel, Ax.

Doing Bob's work.

And which wormhole group, exactly, would you be representing in this "wh diplo" channel? I don't see a blanket invite being handed out to other CSM members regardless of their campaign platforms.

Also pasting chatlogs on the forums is pretty low.

OK, there seem to be some misconceptions about what the channel actually is.

a) First and foremost, it is not secret, sacred or important. It is not a cabal where we would plan the takeover of the world. It isnt even a place where we would batphone and conspire against other WH groups, simply because anyone could read it, duh. I really dont see how removing this channel would stop existing bros from batphoning each other. People were bluing each other up long before it existed.

If you dont trust me or have concerns about whats happening in there, just ask your own diplos or whatever representatives you have there. If you dont have one, then just poke me or any other OP of that channel and we can get them in.

As many of you know, this is its 3rd iteration (and its getting more open over time). Its not something we would invent just now.

b) the most common content is akin to "3 ratting carriers tackled in XYZ-12", so that people can help each other kill nullbears if they cant break them on their own, provided they have nearby null exits - this wouldnt work very well if we had nullsec coalition representatives in there as well

c) the rest of the time is mostly spent by trolling and linking killmails and weird gifs

d) for me and many others, it is most usefull as a repository of up to date contacts if we need to reach out to bunch of WH groups. Organizing events such as townhalls, public roams and any other wh community shenanigans would be significantly harder and less efficient if we had to go one by one. This channel enables anyone to quickly check "is some diplo/director from corp ABC online" and get in touch with him, without spending 30 minutes researching whos their diplo and if hes even online.

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Now regarding corbexx, if you actually bothered to read the log, you would see we didnt cockblock him. We merely refused to strongarm him in without consulting the diplos/directors/etc first. It isnt up to me or any other individual to decide who can be in. I repeately said so and he repeatedly ignored it, going on and on about how I hate goons or something (I dont, never did). So as noobman suggested, vote is currently in progress (thx Lam) to see what people think and then we will act accordingly.

And yes, I agree that corbexx has done great things for us during his first term. I really liked him, I still do (not as much as before tho). But in my opinion it doesnt give him a carte blanche to demand that everyone bends his knee to his wishes. The decision to publicly separate from wh community was his, not ours. The manner in which he is going about this latest gaffe also doesnt show him in an overly favorable light. I sincerely hope he doesnt flip out like this every time he doesnt get his way on CSM. If he went about it in a calm and rational manner, he would stand a good chance to get in (I would remain neutral). But after this thread, I dont know how many people will trust him with intel about CFC ratters if first thing he does is insult people and then post a convo.

I'm adding a link with the rest of the relevant logs, first one is just before what corbexx posted + tiny overlap so you see where it connects. The second part from the channel.

*Snip* Please refrain from posting private in game correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

edit: moved it to pastebin instead of direct text