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GordonO
BURN EDEN
#21 - 2015-05-10 19:46:54 UTC
Link your fit. Also google zaqq and raven fit, its a decent fit that works. Can't see your loss on zkill, so can't comment on the fit
As a new player do not omnitank you mission ships and read the mission guides to make sure of what the triggers are.
Damsel is pretty easy if you don't trigger everything. When you warp in shoot everything but krul, when everything is dead, shoot krul and whatever spawns, then shoot the structure till a wave spawns, stop shooting it and kill the spawns, then go back to structure. If you approach it systematically you will have no problems.

Also ask for help or join a proper helpful corp. join helpmymission (might want to google this also to make sure I have it right) in game and if someone is close to you they will come and help.

... What next ??

Daphne Organa Agalder
Ember Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
#22 - 2015-05-11 17:02:23 UTC
2015.05.08 15:08:00

Victim: Daphne Organa Agalder
Corp: Sebiestor Tribe
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Raven
System: Meirakulf
Security: 0,9
Damage Taken: 61465

Involved parties:

Name: Mjolnir Cruise Missile / Unknown (laid the final blow)
Damage Done: 61465

Destroyed items:

Shield Boost Amplifier I
X-Large Shield Booster II
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Cap Recharger II
100mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19
EM Ward Field II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 36 (Cargo)
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Shield Boost Amplifier I

Dropped items:

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Metal Scraps, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Small F-4a Ld-Sulfate Capacitor Charge Unit (Cargo)
Hobgoblin II (Drone Bay)
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
100mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I (Cargo)
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Small Armor Repairer II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Damage Control II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 502 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile, Qty: 19

This is my fit
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-05-11 22:10:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Is that dual tank?

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Atomeon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-05-11 22:26:18 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Is that dual tank?


If i get it right the fit is:

[Raven, L4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Shield Boost Amplifier I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
X-Large Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

And is seems a mixed fit, dual for you.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-05-12 05:53:20 UTC
That is... something.
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#26 - 2015-05-12 06:59:53 UTC
Low skilled attempt to be cap stable with the armor repper probably an attempt to avoid repair bills in station. I can follow the newbie logic. At least the rigs were right. No understanding of the fact that the best tank is very high dps to alpha stuff off the table. Thats ok though: op is asking for help thats a good sign.

Will gank for food

erg cz
ErgoDron
#27 - 2015-05-12 08:34:02 UTC
Once upon a time there was a problem with small ships squids through at us. Drones was the answer. You are Minmatar, HTFU and use your own ships. Let drone take care of small targets (sentry drones when they are far, combat drones when they are close). Let the super tank of Fleet Issue battle ships protect you long enough untill you will GTFO to the station to repair cause you screwed triggers...

[Typhoon Fleet Issue, L4 mission]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermic Hardener
Shadow Serpentis Large Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I,
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Bay Loading Accelerator I
Large Ionic Field Projector I
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I


Caldari Navy Warden
Caldari Navy Vespa
Caldari Navy Hornet

This is what you can use against mercs, guristas, even serpentis or mordus. They will apply kinetic / therm damage on you - so you use correspondent hardeners. They are weak against kinetic damage - you use wardens. Against drones, blood raiders or sansha you will have to swap kinetic hardener to em hardener and wardens to curators. Medium and light drones accordingly.
What is awesome in this ship is speed of 1200 m/s when you need it (some gates are far away)
Rig gives you targeting range about 100 km. So just LMJD jump away so, that NPC will be at this range and start sniping them as they are getting close. You will not need your tank that much - range will be your tank. When you will be skilled missioner you can replace cap recharges for something more usefull. But I think at that time you will be flying proper L4 blitz machine like Rattlesnake or machariel.

eve-survival.org is the key to newbee success with any fit out there.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2015-05-12 22:43:48 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Low skilled attempt to be cap stable with the armor repper probably an attempt to avoid repair bills in station. I can follow the newbie logic. At least the rigs were right. No understanding of the fact that the best tank is very high dps to alpha stuff off the table. Thats ok though: op is asking for help thats a good sign.

I usually carry armor rep in cargo and fit it as needed. That way I don't waste a slot.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Julius Priscus
#29 - 2015-05-13 21:11:24 UTC
Buoytender Bob wrote:
For Damsel, you get to choose your engagement distance at warp in; don't pick 0, but rather 50-70 km until you learn the triggers/spawns. WC 1st room is easy, but as you learned, rooms 2 and 3 have you engage at close range with no choice to pick distance. Aggro control allows you to not engage a huge amount at the same time. So, the above posters have great ideas: Learn the mission and triggers from survival.org or its mirrors, take your time and pick a longer preliminary engagement range if there is a choice, keep training your skills up as previously posted to make you/your ship better.

Before you know it, you'll start getting bored with level 4s because they are so easy.



I used to warp in at 0km all the time in my nightmare.

its only a hard mission if you do something stupid.
Daphne Organa Agalder
Ember Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
#30 - 2015-05-14 19:56:47 UTC
Atomeon wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
Is that dual tank?


If i get it right the fit is:

[Raven, L4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II

Shield Boost Amplifier I
Shield Boost Amplifier I
X-Large Shield Booster II
Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

And is seems a mixed fit, dual for you.

Daphne Organa Agalder
Ember Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
#31 - 2015-05-14 19:58:30 UTC
exactly this was my fit
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#32 - 2015-05-14 20:23:31 UTC
Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:
exactly this was my fit


. . . and that is why you lost that ship.



-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

Kaye Kaye
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-05-14 20:46:03 UTC
Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:
Hello
I have been playing Eve for more than a year and i have just started training level 4 missions.
I have bought a raven with arbalest cruise missiles.
The world collide is awfully difficult and i lost my ship quickly even for the damsel in distress
Which skills do you advice me in priority?

i have got
battleship skill level 3
cruise missiles skills level 4
shield management level 4

Do you think raven is a good ship?



Gila, it's a decent mission ship, use Vespa Navy Issue Drones.
It's the best first mission running ship, since you get a decent tank and full drone bonus.
Always kill the small frigs first as you align to an object to warp out if needed.
On Damsel you should warp to around 70km out instead of right in the mix.

Best
Paranoid Loyd
#34 - 2015-05-14 20:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
I'm no expert with the Raven, but there are a few general pointers I can give.

You seemed to be trying to cover all of the resists on your shield tank. This is not necessary for mission running as each faction you fight will have a specific resist profile so a much stronger tank can be achieved by tanking for those specific resists.

Using damage mods allows you to kill things faster and thus reduces the necessity for such a strong capacitor as you will need your booster less due to less incoming damage.

Using an MJD will also further supplement your tank, if you are taking a considerable amount of damage, you can jump away from your enemies allowing you to take less damage due to the increased range they need to shoot to hit you.

Dual tanking can be useful in niche situations but as a general rule is not recommended. If you take armor damage during a mission, you can always refit at the station and repair while not under attack.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#35 - 2015-05-14 23:42:55 UTC
Problem with your fit was that you were trying to reinforce your tank to make up for the poor dps you were trying to dish out.

Here is a better fit for you, using a lot of what you already have:

rigs: you could stay with the 3 rigors.

HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise

Mids:
X-L SB, or get a faction, or pith B, (they're pretty cheap)
Ionic S. B., or TII
2 x mission specific hardeners, for ie: against Guristas, one kinetic, one Thermal; Sansha, one em, one therm.
1 x mission specific amplifier, for ie; against Guristas, one kintic; sansha, one therm.
Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
MJD, I used one a couple of times, found no need, it caused more problems, but for a new person it could help. (maybe a TP)

Lows;
4 x BCU II, you need as much dps as possible, the longer it takes to clear a room, the more damage you take
Dam. Control II
(Maybe 3 BCU II, DC II, and a Signal Amp)

10 x T2 light drones.

The above fit will work just fine in every instance. If you get in trouble, and find your pulsing the shield booster more that your capacitor can keep up, even with the cap boosters, if your level drops below 50%, GTFO, don't bother with the MJD, you need to recoup, recharge, and jump back in the mission fresh.

I lost my first Raven, in my 3rd L4. It was a terrible fit.

After time, after running hundreds of L4s, they will become boring. So boring that you may fall asleep, as I did with a CNR. (no further comments)

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

erg cz
ErgoDron
#36 - 2015-05-15 07:48:42 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
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HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise

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Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
...



Faction ammo and cap booster charges will eat your profit. Just saying...
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-05-15 11:30:23 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Ion Kirst wrote:
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HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise

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Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
...



Faction ammo and cap booster charges will eat your profit. Just saying...

ammo - yes, booster charges - nope. At least regular charges.

For missiles i prefer T2 ones - they cheap almost like T1s Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#38 - 2015-05-15 13:48:58 UTC
Daphne was already using Arbalest launchers and Caldari ammo.

If she could use T2 launchers, I'd go with T2 missles.

Being young, she should use a cap booster, as she will be using her X-L shield booster a lot. Cap rechargers, or flux coils, can only do so much, and the later shouldn't be used at all, since they take up slots for BCUs, that are needed.

When making 15M to 40M per mission, those costs are minimal anyways.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

stoicfaux
#39 - 2015-05-15 16:03:01 UTC
Raven a la Liang is the base Raven setup for Level 4s. Tweak it as needed, e.g. LMJD. Also, stuff the drone bay full of light drones for killing frigates (hobgoblins work well against all NPC faction frigates,) don't bother with mediums.



Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#40 - 2015-05-15 23:55:54 UTC
Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:
Hello

shield management level 4

Do you think raven is a good ship?



Anything that can hit + target to 100-115km and fit a MicroJumpDrive - as you start out is perfect. Sniper fits negate a ton of damage and you can adjust tank/gank as you get more comfortable.

Watch out for guristas battleships - they have really good range (110-130km).
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