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[Petition] Release of The Scope employees
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2015-05-13 05:14:05 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
huh.... Huh.... HUH...


Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#102 - 2015-05-15 18:02:11 UTC
An update from the DED is available here

The DED has reported releasing The Scope employees Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere. I sincerely hope this to be the case, and would call for them to make a statement regarding the events of the past week.

The DED also report that the video footage The Scope released appeared to have been six months to one year old. Thankfully for the moment they finally seem to be investigating why Eifyr & Co. withheld such information and their possibly engagement in negligence leading to Hilen Tukoss's presumed death.

It is interesting however that CONCORD do not believe it was possible for him to have survived via cloning. While the footage appears to show Hilen Tukoss's ship being destroyed in Anoikis, it is well known that subspace frequencies allow for the activating of clones even at such great distances. I wonder if they information that has led to this assumption.

Further more i now ask, if the information concerning the age of the footage is correct, could the Drifters have been staging for an assault vs another entity? Assuming so, and their now apparent interest the Jove observatories in our space, i would speculate that the Drifters may have launched an incursion into Jove space, and through them assimilated the information on our civilizations. I am, understudied in the matter. Perhaps one with more knowledge on the Jove than i could provide more information.

Finally i would call for pilots to remain on high alert. Until this matter is fully investigated and the Drifters purpose known, it is in the interest of everyone's safety to keep preparing for the defense of our space.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#103 - 2015-05-15 18:11:59 UTC
FREEDOM!!! \○/

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Jade Blackwind
#104 - 2015-05-15 18:22:27 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Max Singularity wrote:
huh.... Huh.... HUH...


Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness.
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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2015-05-15 20:27:27 UTC
"As focus shifts toward revealing why the footage was concealed for so long, both Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere have been released without charge and continue to assist with the Inner Circle investigation, while a still unidentified former employee of Eifyr & Co remains in DED custody without formal charges having been raised."


Until we actually see them, their "release" is suspicious. Perhaps they're still continuing to assist at gunpoint? Or perhaps with the help of TCMCs?

And who is this "last employee" who is being held without charge?

Speaking of release, perhaps someone should release the Comm records of every prostitute on Yulai VIII?


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#106 - 2015-05-15 22:22:17 UTC
With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away.

That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect.

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Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-05-15 22:59:23 UTC
It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#108 - 2015-05-15 23:16:46 UTC
How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to.
So why should after their release be any different?

It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2015-05-15 23:48:01 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away.

That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect.


The former employee may well not be a prisoner now, but rather in protective custody. There's more going on here than we know as yet. That fleet had gathered for something, and if not to fight us then who? The Drifters taking corpses and stripping the Jove structures could well be desperate re-arming/repairs. Until we know who they were fighting we should keep preparing for war but remain open minded about who is an ally.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#110 - 2015-05-16 00:45:45 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to.
So why should after their release be any different?

It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy.


Ignoring the fact that your opinion on who cares about who is a complete assumption without any basis in factual reasoning, i would respond with 'Because it is important we get to hear from the people held captive during the event, rather then just the captors'

As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#111 - 2015-05-16 01:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Anyanka Funk wrote:
It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here.


And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope.

What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess.

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Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#112 - 2015-05-16 02:37:59 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here.


And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope.

What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess.


Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.

I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#113 - 2015-05-16 03:19:08 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:

Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.

I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from.

There is nothing to disprove. Mokk is the one who came up with a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the current evidence. Mokk is the one who needs to provide evidence in the first place & like all good conspiracy theories he hasn't.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#114 - 2015-05-16 03:55:55 UTC
Signed,

I too will request that all information be handed over so that I may make an informed judgement call on this matter as soon as possible, knowing the DED is pretty slow about this it's pretty crucial not to be wasting time.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#115 - 2015-05-16 16:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:

As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back.


Mokk's theories were posted here, and I responded to them here. The discussion did not originate elsewhere. Thank you, but even you discount his theories without much thought, so it seems fair that I do the same, if perhaps more vocally.

Anyanka Funk wrote:
Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations.


Please refer again to this Galnet summary of the law of parsimony. Mokk's theories are more convoluted than the simple theory that the Scope report about a DED release is true, and require additional factors that we have no suggestion of at present; simply, it is not an elegant theory, and requires more (rather biased, I'd add) assumptions about the DED and Scope. Ultimately, the burden of proof is on him to establish why those theories are worth considering, as without some proven basis for those theories, they're significantly weaker than the evident fact of the Scope personnel's release.

To say it in a more pithy way: I also can't disprove that the DED haven't engaged in mind control with me, you, or half the cluster, but lacking any evidence in favor of that theory, we may consider it extremely weak and ignore it in favor of the theory that the DED, in fact, are not engaged in mass mind control.

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DJ-Thomas
Doomheim
#116 - 2015-05-16 19:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ-Thomas
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.

In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.

There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.

The capsuleers that attended were as follows:

DJ-Thomas
Commander Whitford
A Wet Nappy 198727
Cyrano Garjuiji
Raetar Kurvora
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Freelancer117
LosAzteca
Aden Ordinii
COMFF
DJ Cai
DJ Helixdragon
Frenjo Borkstar
Caeaden
Khaprice
Reya Ahrire

We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.

ENDS
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2015-05-17 00:46:43 UTC
DJ-Thomas wrote:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.

In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.

There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.

The capsuleers that attended were as follows:

DJ-Thomas
Commander Whitford
A Wet Nappy 198727
Cyrano Garjuiji
Raetar Kurvora
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Freelancer117
LosAzteca
Aden Ordinii
COMFF
DJ Cai
DJ Helixdragon
Frenjo Borkstar
Caeaden
Khaprice
Reya Ahrire

We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.

ENDS


We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#118 - 2015-05-17 01:41:10 UTC
DJ-Thomas wrote:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday.

In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence.

There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release.

The capsuleers that attended were as follows:

DJ-Thomas
Commander Whitford
A Wet Nappy 198727
Cyrano Garjuiji
Raetar Kurvora
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Freelancer117
LosAzteca
Aden Ordinii
COMFF
DJ Cai
DJ Helixdragon
Frenjo Borkstar
Caeaden
Khaprice
Reya Ahrire

We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome.

ENDS

Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2015-05-17 02:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
I actually don't use drugs.Ms. Priano.

Though I admit I had to check my drink because I see you made this post, but it's all Diana Kim's words. She's getting very good at ventriloquism, because half the Caldari Bloc is beginning to sound like her.

Logical parsimony? Who has the better intel? The person who works for an organization that has had insider knowledge of the DED for decades or the person who is basing her opinion on what the DED spoon-feeds her?

They're using you. All of you. CONCORD, the DED, the SSOE, all of them. Yet even when presented with proof that they've been lying and playing your for fools, you continue to clutch at their hems like frightened children.

They will never allow peace because peace means they're out of a job. Peace means they can't skim ISK off the top of every government and capsuleer in the cluster. So do you think with your logical parsimony, is it more believable that they're backpedaling because a whistle-blower or two pulled their pants down, or some naughty reporters and conspiracy theorists are just trying to make them look bad?

You're a smart girl. Think past the party line for once.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
DJ-Thomas
Doomheim
#120 - 2015-05-17 03:05:13 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now.


Shooting the protest monument has been a legitimate and effective form of protest for many years now and remains so even after all this time. No damage was done as blank ammunition was used and no laws were broken.

Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended.


It was a spontaneous protest which I decided on as part of my scheduled programme that evening. We did try our best to advertise both across the radio network, GalNet and local communication channels.