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What's wrong with minmatar space? (lol Hilen Tukoss)

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Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#81 - 2015-05-09 05:39:10 UTC
In 0.5-0.7 space Minmatar has omber. Omber has for a long time been the least profitable ore to mine so I would guess that there are hardly any miners there compared to the other areas.

fewer miners means fewer gankers

fewer miners means that big industrialists cant get enough materials and as mentioned before, its a long/ difficult route to import it all from jita.

i also think that lv4 mission runners want to base out of 0.5 or 0.6 systems to get the most LP possible they can from high sec, Metropolis has 5 systems like that, Lonetrek has 17
Eve Solecist
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#82 - 2015-05-09 06:40:08 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:



Hek is a dead place

Thanks!



What the Hek are you talking sbout !!?

what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness??

form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine .

market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead.

PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems.

the low sec systems also have roaming gangs .


so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.

Friday night during the most active TZ.
D'uh.
  • All incoming connection attempts are being blocked. If you want to speak to me you will find me either in Hek local, you can create a contract or make a thread about it in General Discussions. I will call you back. -
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#83 - 2015-05-09 11:50:03 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:



Hek is a dead place

Thanks!






What the Hek are you talking sbout !!?

what metrics are you you using to calculate liveliness??

form my dealings in hek minmatar space seems just fine .

market is moving, ships, minerals,weapons, drones, and even contracts are all moving. so there is activity and it is far from dead.

PVP also seems alive as well as there is usually a gate camp or 2 within the rens and hek travel systems.

the low sec systems also have roaming gangs .


so i dont know what your looking for, short of gankorama between 12 and 12 or 10+ isk doublers in local but hek and the surrounding systems are doing just fine.


You look at it how it is, not in comparison with how it used to be. Yes there still are people but there has been a steady decline in activity around the area's and Hek now has around 100 people average in stead of the 200 to 300 it had one maybe two years ago. Weekends still bring in people and from time to time Eve Uni and Spectre stage fleets so that boost numbers. But just flying around the systems in the region you see loads of systems with just a few people there. And havinbg done a bit of market trading in Hek i know some orders you can set and be top order for a whole week before someone 0.1 isks you.

Rens is in a better place but the surrounding region also has the 5 to 10 people per system, and as I said before the lowsec in Hek is almost never camped, 2 jumps out only a few times a week and those people do not live around there. They base out of other regions and use the Amarr/Jita hubs to procure their stuff or the lowsec hubs around FW.

We used to joke about Derelik being a dead zone, but the activity levels around the Matari regions are not much higher than those in Derelik these days.

I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#84 - 2015-05-12 17:54:59 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
IF there has been some loss from minmatar space , then 3 cheers for those that left. I prefer quite space it is why I have stayed in Minmatar space the two plus years I've played.

Hopefully I never see any of you again.

Btw, no problem with Minmatar space as it is. No fix needed or desired.

That's really one way too obvious bait.


Which it would be i suppose if it were in fact a bait statement but it expresses my exact feelings on the matter with no alternative motives (for instance i have never ganked another player).

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2015-05-12 20:53:54 UTC
I just came back to Minmatar space after being out for a while. The low sec systems seem pretty empty, compared to a couple of years ago. Maybe a chance for solo PVP? Maybe it's not dead anymore after all?
Caljiav Ocanon
The Holy Rollers
#86 - 2015-05-12 23:09:03 UTC
I want to like Minmatar space but the bright red nebula just makes my eyes hurt after a while, it's too bright for me. Same with Amarr space as well actually. Something about the color and/or brightness just turns me off of it completely.

I moved to Gallente space because;

A) It's not Caldari space (not because I dislike the Caldari but because it's over crowded IMHO)
B) It's more visually appealing to me/easier on the eyes.

Now I live in nullsec and the dark space here works out great for me as well so yeah.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2015-05-13 00:07:07 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Eve Solecist wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hardly hear about places like Rancer, Amamake, Old Man Star, Parts... not like the old days.

Must be the sebo'ed OGB'ed instalockers.
You mean people sitting at the undock ...
... looking for easy pickings from faction warfare?

Or do you mean, I know it's just tangentially related, suspect baiters?



Not so much. Something deeper. Seems like around mid 2014 a "great malaise" hit. I also call it "the big meh".

Looking at this thread I remember what Rancer used to be like. There was even a corp active there called Rancer Defense League. There was someone from there who used to post in C&P forum a lot (ah old C&P forum back around 2008 - 2011 - the best forum to truly learn the game) whose posts I remember, but name I forget.

Nostalgia

and people I don't see anymore and suddenly realize I miss them


One big meh

and even Jove on a stick hasn't changed anything. The word that comes to mind is "vibrancy" and it's simply lacking. But I don't see anything specific to blame or what could be blamed. Nothing to even rail against - meh

I hear you mate. Rancer, and before that, Amamake. Nonstop low sec slaughter. I used to be proud of my route through Amamake, that went through the two least-camped gates. Still, it was a was a hail mary and hold your breathe trip. Then Rancer was like that, then that dribbled away to safeness too.

What happened to low sec around there? Did it just happen around there, or is low sec low population all around? That's an in-earnest question. (I honestly don't know).
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#88 - 2015-05-13 00:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Hopefully, it still remains true, pointless repetitive activity becomes boring. Eventually, even the marginally intelligent will stop and do something else. How many years can people camp a gate in Rancer and claim they "game"? Please.

This thread reflects a level of IQ loss that is astounding. It's the "new" EVE!

There just isn't anything that can be said!

GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#89 - 2015-05-13 02:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: GankYou
Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:

I wonder if anyone has any market volume history so we can make comparisons on volume and orders listed, maybe its just a feeling and a result of being in the most abandoned timezone but the feeling is there with more than just a single person.


http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php?step=History&station_id=60005686

Hek appears to have 4.36 Trillion ISK in outstanding Market orders - it has grown to this from 1.5 Tn in mid 2012-YC114.

Amarr is 14 Tn, and Jita 44 Tn.

Can't wait for the new player Citadel stations to bust up those places with a flexible Broker's fee.

FOR YULAI!
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2015-05-13 05:16:40 UTC
Pure and unadulterated racism. I think the majority of EVE's playerbase doesn't like the vast amount of Russian players and the RPers don't like the Brutors for (whatever reason) that inhabit Minmatar space. Actually had players tell me they did not like Russians. WTF? And with players saying things like they can't stand the "reddish brown hue" of the space I think it is very clear.


Also Minmatar ore sucks. Big smile
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#91 - 2015-05-13 05:38:06 UTC
People aren't there, because of the exact reasons why you are Blink
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#92 - 2015-05-13 06:08:50 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Minmatar space has been the ass end of nowhere for as long as I can remember.


Wrong again.

When I started to play EvE back in 2006 Minmatar space was a buzz.

Now these days people are saying that Minmatar space is slowing down.

Well it all depends of which TZ you are in and what area of the RL world you live in.

And the real life seasons we need to add in as well.

Someone must be smoking the good stuff PBig smile


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Rhalina Sedai
Doomheim
#93 - 2015-05-13 11:34:37 UTC
Minmatar space is alive and well, especially the areas around Panorad.

FSOP (Free Systems of Panorad)

Solecist Project
#94 - 2015-05-13 11:39:31 UTC
I think this is my firsg thread where I have to say that ...
... opinions actually provide interesting information.

That's a first.

Thank you all so far! :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2015-05-13 23:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Had some interesting solo PVP in Min low sec last evening, btw. Actually one ship vs. one ship, and not a duel or some kind of pre-arranged thing. A real fight stalking/being stalked one on one fight. Incredible, I know.

(Also, interesting that the nebula colors and station and gate designs affect people's enjoyment that much. Wouldn't have thought that about EVE players. I guess we're not all bean-counting ultra-nerd philistines after all Smile).
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#96 - 2015-05-14 12:55:39 UTC
As a player who calls Hek home for well over 6 years, I can answer some of the questions from OP. Yes, I have been actively playing in W-Space, I have been involved in small and large scale alliance nullsec politics and combat, but my highsec home has always been Hek.

Let's see first why I chose Hek.

I chose Hek because it's near multiple regions. Hek is in Metropolis, Eystur is Heimatar and just one jump away, Otou is Sinq Laison and is also just one jump away. In my early days I used to do inter-regional trading, so having quick access to market data in Dodixie (Sinq Laison), Rens (Heimatar) and Hek (Metropolis) was a big plus.

Second reason was a good quality agent in Nakugard. What's so special about this particular agent is that he's a member of Krusual tribe - mostly lowsec NPC corp with somewhat unusual LP store. They offer 5 run BPCs of Minmatar Afterburners and Microwarp drives. It's not that special now, after all the changes that took place in the game (namely Factional warfare LP store changes a couple of years back), but back in the days it was a gold mine. While we're at agents, when SoE expanded agents in highsec, Lanngisi got a level 4 security SoE agent, and that's only 2 jumps away from Hek.

Third reason is COSMOS constellation just one jump away. This attracted me years ago when I first started playing the game and was "leveling up my Raven". When you are relatively new to the game and doing level 4 missions for a while, you start to look for other challenges and to see what else game has to offer. COSMOS was a good change of pace to keep me hooked to the game in those early days, since we didn't have epic mission arcs back then. Well, it kept me interested in the game until I received my first wardec (also based in Hek) and got hooked on PvP.

Fourth reason is industrial potential of the area. Nakugard (1 jump away) had an ice belt, many free moons and decent belts, since it's a 0.5 system. Barkrik (1 jump away from Nakugard) also had an ice belt. And since I had easy access to real time market data from 3 of 5 major trade hubs from Hek, I got my first POS in Nakugard. I removed it when I moved to null, but the fact is that the area provided me access to a new gameplay (POS and industry) while I was still a newb.

Fifth reason is Tribal liberation force stations in Hek and Amo (2 jumps away). It's an excellent place to base your FW operations in. Although Hek might not be the most active or populated market, it can serve well enough for basing your FW operations in.

Sixth reason is the proximity of multiple research agents. Before the Factional warfare LP store change, datacores were very profitable static income which could be doubled if you did a daily courier mission for the research agent.

Seventh reason is the proximity of Uttindar > Bei gate - a highsec choke point ideal for trying out suicide ganking.

Eighth reason is the relative proximity of Minmatar and Gallente epic arcs.



So, as you can see, those who really "live" in Hek know these things already. It's not the system that is attractive, it's the surrounding area. You base your operations in Hek, you make home there, but you primarily play in the surrounding area. Most of those who are docked in Hek are AFK, since they already did what they wanted in the area and are taking a break, or they are preparing and planning their next move in the area or browsing the market while being docked in Hek.

If you take a look at all the reasons listed above, you'll see that players who chose to call Hek home know how to play the game since they can detect multiple opportunities in the area. It's far away from Jita or Amarr, which can deter many players who, like in any other MMO, flock to the most populated "cities". It requires a bit more effort and travel around the area to get things done, but in my opinion it's more rewarding than many other areas in the game. It also means that the usual trade hub spam is much less frequent than in other trade hubs. Maybe that's why it seems like the local chat is less active.

TL:DR
You base your operations from Hek, but you play in the surrounding area. Hek is mostly an AFK / resting / planning system which is why it's more quiet than other hubs.
Melek D'Ivri
Illuminated Overwatch Group
#97 - 2015-06-09 01:43:10 UTC
Hek and Rens fight for the trading too much. I think it has a lot less to do with being so remote from Jita and Amarr than it does with being a 2 for 1 deal. Minmatar space needs to unify into a single trade hub SOMEWHERE (it doesn't matter where) but with all the people running for SOE I'm surprised the SOE Station in Rens isn't starting to take away from the Brutor station (despite being the Minmatar arc corp).

I started minmatar because of me thinking speed tanking was cool. I don't really speed tank anything. But it was what got me started, then I played in Minmatar space for a long time before leaving to travel the world. I still come back sometimes, and remember you from Hek local definitely. There are huge chunks of "safe" Minmatar space that don't require going near even 0.6 systems for the people that fear that.

I would love to see Hek take over as the dominant trade hub, but Rens refuses for some reason. Minmatar space is actually in a unique opportunity where being so far away is a good thing (if there was only one trade system), because you have the option of going 5-6 jumps for a moderately priced module, or 20-30 for a great priced same module in Jita. Instead you can go a few jumps to either hub and get gouged or sell your items for piddly amounts. Your choice.

P.S. I loved your posts on getting rid of NPC corps and revamping the careers/corp joining process. Much love for shouting out Pro Synergy specifically as a salvager corp, those guys are great!
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2015-06-09 03:59:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sri Nova
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Redacted .




Shhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jesus your giving away all the secrets !
Truckinc
Hyperbolic Galacticum
#99 - 2015-06-09 07:23:48 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Sweet Adamas wrote:
I live in Minmatar space and i like it.

there are plenty of people around doing there thing. Much bearing and pvping but


if you are looking for people to gank i suggest you go to Caldari space as you wont find to many in Minmatar space

I never said anything about a relation to my own interests and it's not even implied.

Please list the systems or constellations you see actual activity in
and please do not forget that local is a huge part of this activity.

It's not that I don't believe you, but details are lacking.


Please! You're just oozing butthurt. Tough to shoot fish in a barrel when the barrel is empty? I think I just shed a tear for you.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2015-06-09 08:06:12 UTC
Eve Solecist wrote:
Apparently this happened a few hours after I made this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i12yk3fZVHw&feature=youtu.be!

Metropolis.
Minmatar space.



So people approach me about this topic.
Minmatar space is rather low on the activity barometer.

In the last years lots of formerly active corporations and alliances left it.
People left for caldari space, or gallente space.
Where ever there is more action.

Now the amarrians get so see more activity with the Drifters as well.


Excuse me? What am I missing?
Did they remove something from Minmatar space?
Is it the rather unpleasant looking nebula?

Hek is a dead place with hundred people and barely activity.
Most people seem to be outside boundless during the USTZ ...
... and these aren't exactly top quality players eithed.

Silence is the loudest noise.
Carebears everywhere.
And no one can tell me Hek is full of traders being busy.
I just need to look ag the market to know that's not true.

Minmatar space is boring. I felt it every single day in the last days
and people confirmed me my feeling.


So what's wrong with it? And hey, I'm not asking anyone to change that,
I can do that myself. I want to know why the only region with a
0.5hub system directly at a lowsec border is so dead.

Thanks!


Simple : Minmatar space is like Romania. :D
The place is AWESOME but the greener pastures are always somewhere else...

Fornicate The Constabulary !