EVE General Discussion

Just as supplementary, 2 years ago characters in minnie space feared Hek (whilst at War) only recently have i noticed that even war campers have moved on from the system. You still have the motly collection of the odd Machariel, Vexor and some indies but all in all i agree with your initial statement.

As for why? Isn't that the question of the day, Minmatar space is nicely connected and the trade hubs are all in relative proximity, Ice is in good supply and the space itself was a heavy duty supplier of Mexallon, its proximoity to angel space and to some of the most active 0.0 systems for solo and small group PVP makes this result of inactivity highly confusing.

Perhaps the anwser lies more focally in Faction warfare? with farmers taking over FW and a great deal of the older players leaving (yes im looking primarily at Minmatar) due to those same Isk/LP farmers, This would have resulted in a substantial decrease in fights and retrospectively and increase in overpopulation on PVP markets. This in turn will have cause prices to crash as the new farmers saturate the market with new faction items.

So now the market is too cheap to make a profit, so both large scale traders and pvpers are gone, with that so are the big Suicide gankers. Carebears continue to mine/produce and the market collapses completely in hubs, resulting in the big producers leaving to be able to sell nearer to better trade hubs, leaving only small time players left to fend for themselves.

Now i could be completely wrong about all this, but this at least makes sense from what i know/have experienced.

Other factors could include the lack of any story-line in Minmatar space, can we even remember the last time CCP had a story event there? (i Can't) *Not that im blaming CCP* Indeed only the players make a space worth being in, not that minmatar is a bad place just much much more quiet.

or perhaps the factor of proximity to NPC null. as opposed to other regions having player space more closer, It will be interesting to see if minmatar space eventually becomes THE space, as ships, modules and other things.

Hek? nvm

Look at the numbers. Overwhelmingly the playerbase is Caldari. iirc (which I probably don't) Gallente and Amarr are neck and neck for a distant second. Minmatar is by far the least played race. Therefore, Minmatar space is by far the lowest populated.

You need to come out there and tell us how to play the game, so we can impress you.

Umm, maybe the main reason is simply that Minmatar space is the smallest empire space there is?
I'm too lazy atm to count the highsec systems, but when looking at high + low you get 280 Minmatar systems, 326 Caldari, 388 Gallente and 408 Amarr according to Dotlan. Just assume you were an FW pilot or insignia farmer and would therefore have to more or less abandon one of the empire regions, which one would you choose?


Last time i checked it was Caldari>Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr.

Thought its also nice to note on a previous post you made.

Space in EVE, does it have to be active? an entire region can be quiet as death and still be alot of fun (i know this isnt entirely relatable to the initial point) But a quiet region does present oppourtuniities, possibly with the right group of players it could become a region unlike the rest, isnt that part of the uniqueness of EVE?

Back to the actual topic, to which prices do you refer, the ones in regional around Hek?

I'm talking about Hek prices, which most often surpass the surrounding systems.

Well, my point is that lack of activity is simply a bad thing by definition.
Of course you have a point regarding "going to empty systems for a change",
but there are lots of better looking systems out there for that.

If people mostly gather up everywhere else, that means there's something wrong.
Simlly from the game's perspective. People should want to live anywhere.
One part of space being abandoned means that there's an issue.

The reasons we are trying to gather up in here.

I don't always go into Matari space, but when I do...

It's not only Hek, the issue is bigger. The place became a trade hub due to its lowsec connection in the first place.
Rancer and Ammamake are also empty, at most i saw like 10 people there last week. And Molden Heath is just too remote from FW to attract large lowsec outfits i guess.

But with people congregating on FW regions and carebears moving to SoE lvl4 or Cal Nav lvl4's to get their Jita tax standings, the vibrancy of the area has diminished somewhat.

The removal of the Highway stargates to Yulai made Rens (long ago) the most remote hub in New Eden and with people basing out of Jita/Amarr for their lowsec content Hek is just a dry husk of what it used to be with Teonusude not far behind.
The -what like- 6 or 7 .5 systems between Hek and Jita or the 28 Jumps from Amarr to Rens do not really invite the Freighter peoples to just hop in and fly over either.

Also jump freighters have made it possible to move a lot of trade into lowsec itself, and with more people capable of using/willing to use these you might see trade in the smaller hubs close to low fall even further. Then you have the giant corp/alliances who just don't seem interested in the nullsec around Minmatar Space and prefer to jump into Delerik and use Amarr for their trade.

And then there is the idea of newbeans joining the zerg corporations who have no incentive to move into a region with all these issues. People start the game, fly to Jita because its the best Walmart around and then Join Karmafleet (up north), Pandemic Horde (Catch/Provi) or Brave (Previous Catch now Fountain) or start Exploration and the mix is complete. You don't need any other system than Jita as an explorer.

I like the region due to nostalgia, and Amarr and Jita are only like 10 jumps away if you hop over to lowsec. Rancer has had its issues with smartbombs on the gate that has no celestial's around for 80AU but regulars know how to get around those mostly. And its empty now anyways, but it does mean traveling through lowsec and Frighters don't like that i think.

Minmatar was always the more piratey space... hm.

its full of filthy slaves?

Maybe I should have made my char Amarr

Again the color thing.
I believe the redbrown is there for several reasons.

First of all, because of the connection to minmatar rustbrown.
Then the lowsec thing. Hub that's 0.5. FW.
It screams "haven for pirates".
Red as a color is considered as being aggressive, sexual, energetic.

Other spaces give off completely different feelings,
with minmatar being the most specific.

Very interesting.