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What makes one Matari?

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Jade Blackwind
#61 - 2015-05-14 11:38:11 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Formed in darkness from the dung of the Fedo.
Wait, it means that you glorify God by offering blood of the fedo dung spawn to him? And you consume the said substance?

Ewww. Bad Nauplius.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#62 - 2015-05-14 11:49:36 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Formed in darkness from the dung of the Fedo.
Wait, it means that you glorify God by offering blood of the fedo dung spawn to him? And you consume the said substance?

Ewww. Bad Nauplius.


The liturgy of the sacrifice contains words of consecration; words from the Chosen that make of the sacrifice a worthy offering to a holy and righteous God.
Tabor Murn
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2015-05-14 11:50:24 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Formed in darkness from the dung of the Fedo.
Wait, it means that you glorify God by offering blood of the fedo dung spawn to him? And you consume the said substance?

Ewww. Bad Nauplius.


I always knew Nauplius had bad taste.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-05-14 12:34:45 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Formed in darkness from the dung of the Fedo.
Wait, it means that you glorify God by offering blood of the fedo dung spawn to him? And you consume the said substance?

Ewww. Bad Nauplius.


The liturgy of the sacrifice contains words of consecration; words from the Chosen that make of the sacrifice a worthy offering to a holy and righteous God.


Consecrated 'Fedo Dung Spawn' is still 'Fedo Dung Spawn'.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Isaiah Bishop
#65 - 2015-05-14 13:43:57 UTC
There is a difference between ethnicity and identity. I am, for instance, what one might call 'ethnically Matari.' But there is little about me that identifies as such or would be identified as such by others.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#66 - 2015-05-14 14:33:37 UTC
Blackfeathers wrote:
If the Republic could have been trusted enough to be involved, the Elder Fleet would have been utterly unstoppable. It is the same today - if the Republic would stop grovelling at the feet of the other empires, we would finally be able to have our vengeance.

No one would challenge the Elders after they have seen our strength.



I can only assume that you're getting high on your own supply, my friend. The Amarrian fleet hadn't been mobilised and never engaged the Elder Fleet - what stopped it was local forces and the Empress' super weapon, whatever that was. The Republic Fleet is significantly outgunned by the Empire's fleet.

Military experts place the Republic fleet at dead last, in terms of absolute strength, the only thing an open war would get you would be letting the fleet of your choice (whoever you challenged) in to rampage through your space. Your allies might be brave and principled enough to stand with you if you were attacked but there is no way that they'd be party to joining you in a war of aggression.

Maker. What is it with you Minmatar? You seem utterly bound and determined to ensure that your own people remain as miserable as humanly possible.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Kucial Ghavera
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2015-05-14 14:53:57 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Maker. What is it with you Minmatar? You seem utterly bound and determined to ensure that your own people remain as miserable as humanly possible.


Sadly, this is often the case. But don't make the mistake of assuming that a few loud eggers represent the Matari.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2015-05-14 16:58:11 UTC
Kucial Ghavera wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Maker. What is it with you Minmatar? You seem utterly bound and determined to ensure that your own people remain as miserable as humanly possible.


Sadly, this is often the case. But don't make the mistake of assuming that a few loud eggers represent the Matari.


You make an excellent point and one I should try to remember.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#69 - 2015-05-15 08:27:22 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Military experts place the Republic fleet at dead last, in terms of absolute strength, the only thing an open war would get you would be letting the fleet of your choice (whoever you challenged) in to rampage through your space. Your allies might be brave and principled enough to stand with you if you were attacked but there is no way that they'd be party to joining you in a war of aggression.

Maker. What is it with you Minmatar? You seem utterly bound and determined to ensure that your own people remain as miserable as humanly possible.


This is exactly the problem. The Republic is weak, because it is the Republic. It cowers and bargains when it should be building it's own strength.

The Republic is not Minmitar.

The Republic just holds us back.
Jade Blackwind
#70 - 2015-05-15 08:57:38 UTC
Blackfeathers wrote:
The Republic is weak, because it is the Republic. It cowers and bargains when it should be building it's own strength.

(...)

The Republic just holds us back.
Isn't it exactly what the Brutor-Thukker conspiracy was doing for decades? The Elder Fleet hidden in the Wildlands? Billions of Matari languished in poverty while Shakor's supporters funneled all the money to build an armada of vengeance.

So you want another Elder Fleet?

I have no idea what Jovian superweapon the Empire managed to pull out of its ass the last time, but I bet it's still there.
Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#71 - 2015-05-15 09:08:51 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Blackfeathers wrote:
The Republic is weak, because it is the Republic. It cowers and bargains when it should be building it's own strength.

(...)

The Republic just holds us back.
Isn't it exactly what the Brutor-Thukker conspiracy was doing for decades? The Elder Fleet hidden in the Wildlands? Billions of Matari languished in poverty while Shakor's supporters funneled all the money to build an armada of vengeance.

So you want another Elder Fleet?

I have no idea what Jovian superweapon the Empire managed to pull out of its ass the last time, but I bet it's still there.


Exactly - if it wasn't just the Brutor and Thukker tribes - had the other tribes contributed their might - then perhaps things may have been different. I don't know what that witch managed to acquire, but it does not make her a match for the full force the tribes could bring to bear.

And even if war is not the right path - at least we could defend ourselves, rather than relying on the Federation to fight our battles for us. Democracy may work for Gallenteans, but Minmitar should always be lead by the Elders. Not politicians.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2015-05-15 11:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Blackfeathers wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Blackfeathers wrote:
The Republic is weak, because it is the Republic. It cowers and bargains when it should be building it's own strength.

(...)

The Republic just holds us back.
Isn't it exactly what the Brutor-Thukker conspiracy was doing for decades? The Elder Fleet hidden in the Wildlands? Billions of Matari languished in poverty while Shakor's supporters funneled all the money to build an armada of vengeance.

So you want another Elder Fleet?

I have no idea what Jovian superweapon the Empire managed to pull out of its ass the last time, but I bet it's still there.


Exactly - if it wasn't just the Brutor and Thukker tribes - had the other tribes contributed their might - then perhaps things may have been different. I don't know what that witch managed to acquire, but it does not make her a match for the full force the tribes could bring to bear.

And even if war is not the right path - at least we could defend ourselves, rather than relying on the Federation to fight our battles for us. Democracy may work for Gallenteans, but Minmitar should always be lead by the Elders. Not politicians.


Yeah, not a full force. Of the Amarrian Golden Fleet, more like. How do you explain the Pike's Landing incident then? Last I hear, it took the Matari AND the Fed AND Mordu's Legion AND Ishukone's Fleet to present a roadblock for a small detachment of the Golden Fleet for whatever it was they were trying to achieve there.

And last I check, governments are as much as reflections of their people as vice versa. When the Republic actually functions like a Republic instead of the Confederate it is now, the politicians were elected from the Matari people. What do you think the message was, when these politicians, chosen by the people from amongst the people, turned out to be corrupt?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#73 - 2015-05-15 12:57:48 UTC
Maybe part of the problem is that too many not-Matari think that they know what is best for Matarti.

Maybe part of the problem is that too many Matari think they are right!



“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2015-05-15 20:30:49 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Maybe part of the problem is that too many not-Matari think that they know what is best for Matarti.

Maybe part of the problem is that too many Matari think they are right!







Maybe that's because we're right?


"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2015-05-15 21:55:33 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Blackfeathers wrote:
The Republic is weak, because it is the Republic. It cowers and bargains when it should be building it's own strength.

(...)

The Republic just holds us back.
Isn't it exactly what the Brutor-Thukker conspiracy was doing for decades? The Elder Fleet hidden in the Wildlands? Billions of Matari languished in poverty while Shakor's supporters funneled all the money to build an armada of vengeance.

So you want another Elder Fleet?

I have no idea what Jovian superweapon the Empire managed to pull out of its ass the last time, but I bet it's still there.


If you think that the cost of the Elder fleet was a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money being funneled out of the first republic by corruption than you are sorely mistaken. The amount of money needed to create a nation the size of the Caldari State in less than a hundred and fifty years is astronomically larger than the cost of the vessels used by the Elders.

The current Republic fleet also vastly dwarfs the few ships of the Elder fleet. The Elder fleet was financed by he Brutor and Thukker Tribes yes, and it is completely within their rights to spend their money however they choose to. Given the massive gain of a re-united Tribes the cost is almost unbelievably small in both lives and quanta.

If the Caldari state could have retaken Caldari Prime for the same cost as the Elder fleet it would have been hailed as one of the most brilliant operations in history. Instead, people echo rhetoric about the cost of the Elder fleet endlessly until you have half of these capsuleers thinking that food is rationed in the Republic and people are turning in metal to make starships.

So is the strength of the Amarrian propaganda machine that everyone cries out in critical complaint about how the Republic spends its money with absolutely no information at all.

Two hundred and ninety one systems and almost seven trillion people in less than a hundred and fifty years and you think the money is all going to starships. All of you are either uninformed or at this point willfully blind if you honestly believe some of the idiocy I have read in this thread and heard echoed elsewhere.

hint: almost everything blackfeathers and others like her is wrong, most do not even seem to be aware a new tribal assembly even exists.

No wonder you people constantly are surprised by what the republic does, most of you cannot even quote a single true fact about it.


Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#76 - 2015-05-16 03:14:03 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:
I'm not in a tribe. Am I not Minmatar?


Do you actually care about the tribe you came from? If you don't know who they were, do you wish you did know? If not then the answers pretty clear....
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#77 - 2015-05-16 04:06:45 UTC
To Blackfeathers and people like her I say; every polity has faults. A citizen should try to recognise them and work to correct them. If you walk away and refuse to engage yourself with doing so then what right do you have to criticise?

The Republic has been my home from birth. My father has spent the best part of his life fighting to defend it as part of the Fleet. My mother worked to help maintain it and welcome new citizens into it as part of Urban Management until the day she died.

My mother's, ancient, clan still work to this end. My father's, newly formed, clan still remains true to the path he has walked thus far.

I will not dishonour my immediate ancestors, or those that have come before them, by abandoning my home and that of my people. Ideally that should be in peaceful, productive ways.

If that is not possible?

Then, the Storms will rise.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#78 - 2015-05-16 04:17:22 UTC
Our republic isn't working because we allow ourselves to let it fall flat. If we actually stood together in what is our biggest fight ever, our own birth as a real power, we wouldn't be facing any of the problems we face. Instead we complain about how our republic is powerless instead of emboldening it by actually supporting our own people. After all, we are the strongest force our people have. Maybe if we simply shut up with our own naysaying and actually did something to improve our station in all of this we wouldn't have the reason to complain... just a thought.......
Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-05-16 14:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jili Tonari
Deitra Vess wrote:
Our republic isn't working because we allow ourselves to let it fall flat. If we actually stood together in what is our biggest fight ever, our own birth as a real power, we wouldn't be facing any of the problems we face. Instead we complain about how our republic is powerless instead of emboldening it by actually supporting our own people. After all, we are the strongest force our people have. Maybe if we simply shut up with our own naysaying and actually did something to improve our station in all of this we wouldn't have the reason to complain... just a thought.......



Yet you work for a Gallente news agency?

You are right. We have to be truly independent and truly self-reliant. There is no reason we can't.


Sinjin Mokk wrote:
Maybe that's because we're right?



Go **** yourself.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#80 - 2015-05-16 16:01:08 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Our republic isn't working because we allow ourselves to let it fall flat. If we actually stood together in what is our biggest fight ever, our own birth as a real power, we wouldn't be facing any of the problems we face. Instead we complain about how our republic is powerless instead of emboldening it by actually supporting our own people. After all, we are the strongest force our people have. Maybe if we simply shut up with our own naysaying and actually did something to improve our station in all of this we wouldn't have the reason to complain... just a thought.......



Yet you work for a Gallente news agency?




Your point in bringing it up being? I work for a group loosely associated with one of our allies. I'm also trying to perfect my skills as a combat pilot, in which I refuse to limit myself to only what my own people can offer me in both equipment and skills. I've found its a lot easier to react to situations when you have first hand experience of what the other side of your gun barrels is capable of. And just to be clear, when I was employed they were one of the bigger groups in Huola and were still based there.