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What makes one Matari?

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Jade Blackwind
#41 - 2015-05-13 10:30:07 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Let's not overcomplicate matters.
Cultural demeanor and compliance with a referent group are not overcomplications, they are essential for every human society. It isn't as simple as genes + political alignment.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#42 - 2015-05-13 10:37:18 UTC
To my understanding, "Matari" means, "Of Matar", and "Minmatar" means "Child of Matar", which seem about the same thing.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#43 - 2015-05-13 11:14:01 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
To my understanding, "Matari" means, "Of Matar", and "Minmatar" means "Child of Matar", which seem about the same thing.


Linguistics wise, maybe. I wouldn't recommend saying that to an Ammatar, Free Thukker or a Matari Angel however.
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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2015-05-13 11:22:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Leopold Caine wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
To my understanding, "Matari" means, "Of Matar", and "Minmatar" means "Child of Matar", which seem about the same thing.


Linguistics wise, maybe. I wouldn't recommend saying that to an Ammatar, Free Thukker or a Matari Angel however.


A Thukker identifies himself as Matari. He does not identify himself as a Republic Citizen (most of them anyway).

Yes, there is a difference between being Matari and being a Republic Citizen. The easiest way to see this demonstrated is to go to any Matari enclave in Federation space and you will find that they brought their culture with them. They identify themselves as Matari and they certainly do follow many Matari traditions and cultural norms. They do not identify themselves as Republic Citizens, they are Fed Citizens.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2015-05-13 11:31:26 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
To my understanding, "Matari" means, "Of Matar", and "Minmatar" means "Child of Matar", which seem about the same thing.


Linguistics wise, maybe. I wouldn't recommend saying that to an Ammatar, Free Thukker or a Matari Angel however.


Ammatars refer to themselves as Ammatar, not Matari. More accurately, Ammatar being a gallentean coined term used as a portmanteau, the Ammatar live in Sanmatar, and can be referred as Sanmatari.

Ms Ikyrio's definition remains perfectly valid.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#46 - 2015-05-13 13:51:42 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. This has given me even more to consider, the strength and diversity of the Matari people continues to astound me. I am Brutor, despite how I was raised, I want to follow the traditions and beliefs of my ancestors. I accept myself as Brutor, I can only hope in time the rest of my tribe accepts me as I do.


Well I appreciate the thought. But you currently fly for Pyre Falcon, who are under contract to the 24th, who are a instrument of policy of an empire that would likely prefer that the traditions & beliefs of your ancestors be forgotten. This might be something of a hindrance in gaining acceptance by the tribe.

Still, it's good that you take an interest. And that isn't sarcasm, I mean it.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2015-05-13 14:19:03 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. This has given me even more to consider, the strength and diversity of the Matari people continues to astound me. I am Brutor, despite how I was raised, I want to follow the traditions and beliefs of my ancestors. I accept myself as Brutor, I can only hope in time the rest of my tribe accepts me as I do.


Well I appreciate the thought. But you currently fly for Pyre Falcon, who are under contract to the 24th, who are a instrument of policy of an empire that would likely prefer that the traditions & beliefs of your ancestors be forgotten. This might be something of a hindrance in gaining acceptance by the tribe.

Still, it's good that you take an interest. And that isn't sarcasm, I mean it.

Pyre Falcon has no regulations concerning the cultural self-identification of our contracted pilots. If Valentina wants to identify as Brutor, I certainly have no issues with it.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-05-13 15:11:58 UTC
Minmatar and Matari are the same thing. One is more formal.

Tribes are not a religion or even have anything at all to do with religion.

What makes you Matari?

You do.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#49 - 2015-05-13 17:29:49 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. This has given me even more to consider, the strength and diversity of the Matari people continues to astound me. I am Brutor, despite how I was raised, I want to follow the traditions and beliefs of my ancestors. I accept myself as Brutor, I can only hope in time the rest of my tribe accepts me as I do.


Well I appreciate the thought. But you currently fly for Pyre Falcon, who are under contract to the 24th, who are a instrument of policy of an empire that would likely prefer that the traditions & beliefs of your ancestors be forgotten. This might be something of a hindrance in gaining acceptance by the tribe.

Still, it's good that you take an interest. And that isn't sarcasm, I mean it.

Pyre Falcon has no regulations concerning the cultural self-identification of our contracted pilots. If Valentina wants to identify as Brutor, I certainly have no issues with it.


Oh I understand that. It's just the leadership of the tribe live in the Republic, which is under attack from the organisation you are contracted to. By all means honour your professional commitments. I just observe that they might cause some personal problems in this case, that's all.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#50 - 2015-05-13 19:05:50 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:
I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. This has given me even more to consider, the strength and diversity of the Matari people continues to astound me. I am Brutor, despite how I was raised, I want to follow the traditions and beliefs of my ancestors. I accept myself as Brutor, I can only hope in time the rest of my tribe accepts me as I do.


Well I appreciate the thought. But you currently fly for Pyre Falcon, who are under contract to the 24th, who are a instrument of policy of an empire that would likely prefer that the traditions & beliefs of your ancestors be forgotten. This might be something of a hindrance in gaining acceptance by the tribe.

Still, it's good that you take an interest. And that isn't sarcasm, I mean it.

Pyre Falcon has no regulations concerning the cultural self-identification of our contracted pilots. If Valentina wants to identify as Brutor, I certainly have no issues with it.


Oh I understand that. It's just the leadership of the tribe live in the Republic, which is under attack from the organisation you are contracted to. By all means honour your professional commitments. I just observe that they might cause some personal problems in this case, that's all.


Thank you for your concern, I certainly have no love for the Amarr Empire anymore, I would go so far as to say I find it distasteful in general, and I don't hold the clone on the throne in any high regard either. I a contracted to Pyre Falcon because, I am respected, and accepted here, not for any reason of political support. I am certain I would be a persona non grata to Ushra'Kahn or PIE, regardless of what I were to say, both sides don't really like me.

The truth is, I don't really know how I feel about the Republic, I always looked at that as a separate issue than my own cultural heritage. I see the potential in the Republic to be a very positive force for our people, but it has thusfar been a disappointment, and perhaps some other government is best for our people, I am not sure. Whatever the case I don't go out of my way to destroy pilots or assets of the Republic, everyone who isn't on my blue list is a valid and equal target.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#51 - 2015-05-13 19:13:32 UTC
DNA.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2015-05-13 19:20:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
DNA.


There is 0 genetic requirements to joining a tribe.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-05-13 19:45:25 UTC
Ayallah wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
DNA.


There is 0 genetic requirements to joining a tribe.

I heard the question was what makes one a Matari, not a Tribal.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-05-13 19:55:06 UTC
I'm not in a tribe. Am I not Minmatar?
Ayallah
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2015-05-13 21:50:05 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

I heard the question was what makes one a Matari, not a Tribal.


They are synonymous.

Goddess of the IGS

As strength goes.

Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#56 - 2015-05-14 03:42:20 UTC
My mother was Sebiestor, my Father - Thukker. I am Matari. I am loyal to Minmitar.

Sadly, the Republic is not Minmitar.

The Republic is a fat, lazy, sickening parasite that leeches the strength of my people, and waters our Tribal heritage down by negotiating when we should be making open war. They bow to the will of those that would see us ruined.

The Republic accepts the Nefantar, who let true Matari die, who stood by - and even assisted in the slavery of our people.

To be Matari, is to be loyal to Minmitar over all else.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2015-05-14 08:57:16 UTC
Blackfeathers wrote:

The Republic is a fat, lazy, sickening parasite that leeches the strength of my people, and waters our Tribal heritage down by negotiating when we should be making open war. They bow to the will of those that would see us ruined.


You want to see ruin? Pursue a course that leads to open war.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Blackfeathers
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2015-05-14 10:31:56 UTC
If the Republic could have been trusted enough to be involved, the Elder Fleet would have been utterly unstoppable. It is the same today - if the Republic would stop grovelling at the feet of the other empires, we would finally be able to have our vengeance.

No one would challenge the Elders after they have seen our strength.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-05-14 11:27:03 UTC
Blackfeathers wrote:
If the Republic could have been trusted enough to be involved, the Elder Fleet would have been utterly unstoppable. It is the same today - if the Republic would stop grovelling at the feet of the other empires, we would finally be able to have our vengeance.

No one would challenge the Elders after they have seen our strength.



Jamyl's fleet will like to dispute that.

It's fine to be proud of our lineage and accomplishments and all, but don't get too cocky and overextend ourselves.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#60 - 2015-05-14 11:33:35 UTC
What makes one Matari?

Formed in darkness from the dung of the Fedo, bearing strange markings and piercings; cursing God. Made to serve the Chosen and be their sacrifices. Glorifying God in their destruction.