EVE General Discussion

This is one motive, although you are wrong about the exact formula.

Most people carrying out organised for-profit ganks will factor in 15m for security tags (on each and every ship being used) and ISK to pay the gankers (30-40m per 15min GCC is common), but you can also usually salvage half of your Talos's fitted modules.

If ganking with Taloses as a for-profit event, expect 120m per Talos to be the gankers' costs, so 240m per Talos.

If ganking with Vexors (the best ship for for-profit ganking; they cost 18m after getting half your modules back), expect the gankers' costs to be of the order 60m per Vexor, so 120m in loot is needed to justify it.



There are other motives, however.

Burning stuff to the ground is *fun*. Burning freighters is even more fun.

Finally there is definitely profit to be made from chaos. Even though I outsource all my hauling and have to pay three times as much now as I did before my alliance started hitting freighters en masse, I now make *considerably* more on regional arbitrage trading than I used to. The removal of almost all autopiloted freighters from the main highsec trade routes has dramatically increased regional price discrepancies.

As an example I recently bought 3.5b worth of the components that go into building Gallente T2 ships in Jita and had them moved to Dodixie and put them on the market. They sold for 4.4b - markups like this simply did not exist 12 months ago on such high turnover items.


I may or may not also trade in mining equipment, ganking equipment and implants...

Since I rarely have implants in let alone expensive implants and with the removal of clone costs...the clone taxi would be appreciated. :P

It's not about the cargo, it's about the law!

What's kinda funny to me is that if people really want CCP to look at rebalancing the viability of suicide ganks, more people need to suicide gank. While all the pro-ganker sorts and CCP themselves say that the risk:reward is fine and ganking is just a part of the cold, hard space of New Eden, I bet if there were maybe only 5x as many ganks happening, they would end up tweaking things to make ganking more difficult or less rewarding or both.


Suicide ganking IS fun... for some players. I think that a lot more players would enjoy it if they gave it a whirl, too.

I have a few accounts that I set up to be a solo, high-sec industrial crew. Then I got the idea that ganking might be something fun to dabble with, and it turned out to be pretty fun. For me, it's fun organizing a number of my own accounts to pull off ganks with minimal skillpoints and isk invested, and seeing the damage I can cause by scouting out an easy target and executing the kill correctly. I don't work too quickly though, and I have to pick targets extra carefully since trying to juggling a number of accounts with one click per action against the response time of concord (or the chance of my quarry getting spooked) is a bit frantic compared to the well-organized gank squads who are using more powerful fits and ships and playing fewer accounts (even 1, maybe/probably) so they can focus on better execution and methods that would be beyond my ability (ganking on gates, monitoring undock points at busy stations, etc).

There are plenty of posts that cover this, but basically gankers are looking for people who do not do most (or even some) of the following: play in low/null/wh, scout out a good system/route to use in the first place, set standings, watch local, watch dscan, play without much AFK, fly tough ships, fly cheap ships, haul reasonable amounts of cargo, use strong tanks, use ECM, talk ****, or a number of other things that otherwise contribute to making it more difficult and/or less rewarding to gank. If you get ganked when you're doing even half of those things, you're basically the unluckiest person in Eve.

Oh yeah, baby, I'll be offering 0.11% Broker fees on my station. In Jita around the sun.

Just kidding, it's going to be in New Caldari!

The many thoughtful and well explained replies has helped me convince my friends that gankers aren't complete sociopaths.

as stated profit for luls or whatever. I have had a pod autoing to jita hat was ganked, i've lost an empty noob ship, and i've lost a few billion before, so it just depends

Gankers are not sociopaths at all my friend. Talk to them again.

... and buy a mining permit for them while you're at it.

plus a little premium to make ganking worth my time over other isk making activities. alhtough it has been a long time since I've ganked.

There are also ganks for lulz, and those pretty much just involve something shiny, people like to take 20+ catalysts and gank marauders in SoE systems regardless of fit.

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