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[hypothesis] Jove disease cause
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Kerena Alabel
Temple Of Inanna
#1 - 2015-05-05 17:13:10 UTC
I think that Jove disease may not be genetic per se at all, but purely psychological, caused by the eventual boredom and realization of the utter pointlessness of all existence. To put it in simpler terms, they get bored to death. Literally. But first they go crazy. Capsuleers never get this because they are always doing things. Shooting each other, selling and buying, trying to accumulate wealth and power etc. It keeps our minds occupied. Everything is an adventure. The Jove learned and did so much that nothing holds their interest anymore. Suggested experiment to test this would be to take a Jove who has the illness and wipe their memories. However finding a volunteer would be problematic to say the least. If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves...
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#2 - 2015-05-05 17:18:11 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves...


You just did.
Kerena Alabel
Temple Of Inanna
#3 - 2015-05-05 17:23:59 UTC
Feu dAstres wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
If only we could transmit this idea to the Jove themselves...


You just did.



I hope that they then test this idea. I am...oddly concerned with their well being as of late.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#4 - 2015-05-05 17:24:16 UTC
Fun theory, dear. I hear The Scope are hiring fiction writers.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2015-05-05 17:25:56 UTC
Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.

I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Kerena Alabel
Temple Of Inanna
#6 - 2015-05-05 17:28:11 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.

I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?



If this were the case introduction of more diverse genetics would have cured this easily.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2015-05-05 17:35:46 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.

I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?



If this were the case introduction of more diverse genetics would have cured this easily.


I wouldn't say 'easily' they may have bred entire gene lines out of their gene pool and bred compatibility with the vanished lines out of their genome. They could, quite easily, have painted themselves into a corner, genetically. In addition they may have had social or cultural reasons for not increasing their genetic diversity - in the same way that a State citizen might not be comfortable with increasing his genetic diversity by breeding with, say, Ni-Kunni or Vherokior partners.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Markus Error
Manfios
#8 - 2015-05-05 18:07:19 UTC
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.

"If it cannot be shot the #### down, it can always be blown the #### up."

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Kerena Alabel
Temple Of Inanna
#9 - 2015-05-05 18:11:09 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.


Exactly, surely they kept records? As astute as they are in sciences record keeping of the Jove must be meticulous.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-05-05 18:14:35 UTC
Markus Error wrote:
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.


It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome.

Just saying.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Kerena Alabel
Temple Of Inanna
#11 - 2015-05-05 18:18:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Markus Error wrote:
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.


It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome.

Just saying.



It would be even more unjustifiable to allow your race to die and your work become the eventual property of capsuleers, or worse...drifters.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2015-05-05 18:32:08 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Markus Error wrote:
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.


It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race. Probably be much harder, socially, to justify letting your current race die out and give all their stuff to a genetically incompatible race of created clones based on an earlier version of your genome.

Just saying.



It would be even more unjustifiable to allow your race to die and your work become the eventual property of capsuleers, or worse...drifters.


The Jovians are still humans and, in my experience, it is very unusual for people to agree on a very poor solution simply because it is better than arguing about finding one that is actually good.

Both decisions, in this case, end in the slow death of the Jovian people. Do you really think they care one way or the other who gets their stuff afterwards? They may have decided it's best if it's anyone but Nation, for all we know. The Drifters could be cousins to the Jove.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2015-05-05 18:53:55 UTC
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Markus Error wrote:
If they altered their genetics to the current state of affairs, it does beg the question of why they can't simply reverse the process. Hooray for the mysteries of the Directorate.


Exactly, surely they kept records? As astute as they are in sciences record keeping of the Jove must be meticulous.

The Directorate is supposedly the Third Jove Empire from the little information I could find about them, and old structures and equipment puts the highest concentration somewhere around the Angel constellation.

There's nothing to say the genetic harm wasn't done by one of the earlier dynasties and then information on it lost during the upheaval caused by their collapse, possibly much of their research and equipment was left behind.
Jade Blackwind
#14 - 2015-05-05 19:02:40 UTC
The immortals of any kind tend to get bored to death, yes. But I don't think that it's the case here.

It looks more like a case of something something 5-HT receptors something.

Basically, while trying to get rid of natural aggression and other pesky human emotions during the second empire, they'd managed to break their serotonin capture system at genetic level. For example, if Jovian disease manifests, say, in 25% subjects at 30+ years biological age, the first cases on test subjects might have seemed irrelevant enough to them to proceed and disseminate the mod to an entire generation, and - bang! - a generation later those test tube children suddenly get ~LIFEISABLACKHELLIWANTTOLAYDOWNANDDIEHELPME~ because their 5-HT system shut down.

Something like that, probably

Maybe
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-05-05 19:28:12 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given that they have basically adopted the entire Cluster as their complex simulation model to toy with, I doubt it's boredom.

I thought we were all agreed that Jovian Disease was caused by narrowing their genetic baseline to an insufficiency of diversity?


More exactly culling off and splicing out all genes implied in any hostile behaviour. In any case, the Jove blaimed too much tampering with their genetic code.
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2015-05-05 21:34:09 UTC
Of course the Jovian disease is psychological in nature. In their folly, the Jove sought to become immortal, and they though that they could achieve this by extending the lifespan of their bodies indefinitely. What they failed to realize is that what was truly immortal was their soul. At some point our immortal souls want to return to their Creator. When that time draws near even the physically immortal feel themselves starting to become listless and melancholic. God is calling them to come home to their Father.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-05-06 01:08:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jvpiter
I will be frank with you. It was a papercut. One of us was tasked with refilling the empty tray for the printer in our Office, and lo and behold. The very end of our race.


PC Load Letter, the readout informed our kind. These were the cruel words of our doom.

Call me Joe.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#18 - 2015-05-06 09:18:56 UTC
Evolution rarely occurs without mutation.
Cloning rarely causes mutation.

Stagnation leads to destruction.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-05-06 11:17:55 UTC
Merdaneth wrote:
Of course the Jovian disease is psychological in nature. In their folly, the Jove sought to become immortal, and they though that they could achieve this by extending the lifespan of their bodies indefinitely. What they failed to realize is that what was truly immortal was their soul. At some point our immortal souls want to return to their Creator. When that time draws near even the physically immortal feel themselves starting to become listless and melancholic. God is calling them to come home to their Father.



Or (more likely) they simply go nuts from living too long and/or suffer irreversible genetic degradation due to inbreeding/buggering about with stuff best left unbuggered with.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-05-06 17:56:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
It would probably be reasonably easy to produce offspring clones with a wildly divergent gene line from the existing Jovian race.



Yes, it would, wouldn't it?


"For you, children, on your fifth birthday. May your next five years be as full of promise and hope, and may you one day walk with us as equals among the stars."
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