Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yea, ima dork, but this also helps our argument. key word being "doesnt take long".

What would be great is if one of the BC hulls could be given a medium logi role. Something between the T1 logi bonus hull and the T2 logi range and amount bonus.

+1. Supported.

I can agree to the removal of the tier structure for ships to be replaced by a role structure. However, while some modules may indeed need to be looked at, the Tier structure for modules should remain intact as you can probably guess why. (Needs to be said, that's all)

I really can't see the replacement of tiers with roles happening without a pretty big overhaul and here's why.


1. Fleets determine roles needed
2. Roles determine the qualities needed by the ship

We have 4 empires that have their own philosophies when it comes to Fleet warfare (irregardless of the fleet's sized)

That being said each empire would thus come up with its own solution to how to fill a particular role in a particular fleet using said empire's particular philosophies.

So before one can even begin to set ship roles they need to address what exactly are the warfare philosophies of the empires are, and when and how they break from those philosophies to fill roles that run counter to their norm.

Lets take the Omen vs Maller for example.

If it were up to me I'd scrap the omen as a fast gun boat and rebuild it as a fast HAM boat that relies on speed for defenses more than armor. At the same time I'd increase the effectiveness of energy turrets on the Maller while leaving it as slow but thick skinned ship.

The reason for this is that the traditional Philosophy of Amarr design is thick armor and energy weapons as main weapons. This means that by tradition Amarr ships are slower but have tremendous staying power. For the most part the Maller already fits this philosophy but it lacks the ability to capitalize on its lasers. At the same time the Omen also fits this trend having hard hitting lasers, but it lacks the thick armor that is associated with Amarr ships.

By changing the Omen to a lighter and HAM focused ship it allows the ship to better fill the role of patrol/skirmish cruiser, were being able to keep up with or out run your target is just as important as being able to dish out damage. This also allows the Maller to fallow the more traditional philosophy and perform as a heavy combat cruiser that is more useful in larger fleet battles.

Of course before any of this can come to pass the following need to be addressed as well.

1. Hybrids vs Energy vs Projectile vs Missile vs Drones
2. Turret resolution/ explosion radius vs ship signature
3. Active tanking vs Passive Tanking
4. Armor tanking vs Passive Tanking
5. ECM vs TD vs RSD vs TP

As for T1 vs T2

When doing the re balance probably the best way to look at T1 vs T2 is as T2 ships being better specialized at certain aspects of the T1 ship's role while sacrificing in other areas. One should end up with a ship that better fills a particular niche but at the cost of some of the flexibility offered by the T1.

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We have t3 for that.

I've been taking a break for a while, and now that I'm back, I've discovered this strange BUMP under my arm...

...oh wait. Hi guys. How's it going. How about those crazy t1 ships, eh?

I, too, love necroing threads.

Here's hoping tiericide happens soon. I want to fly my Omen and have it be useful, dammit!