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Next iteration of overview/bracket icons on Singularity

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Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#161 - 2015-05-29 15:44:00 UTC
I've read the patch notes and checked Sisi and CCP, you once again have ignored all our feedback so I hope you have your ear muffs with you on Tuesday, as the screaming when this goes live is going to be deafening.

o7

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#162 - 2015-05-29 16:08:05 UTC
Having now checked out the new deployable icons I can safely say that my brain is being overloaded by the overview. This is too much granularity.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#163 - 2015-05-29 16:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lil' Brudder Too
I F**^#$( knew it. The moment Dev's stopped responding, they were set on the scheme, no matter what the feedback was.

CCP why did you not apply any of the EXTREMELY constructive feedback provided in this thread?

Like the person who suggested this scheme for ships...http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1505/NoUTVmZ3.png

Which is well thought out and received good comments from us users.

Please do not release this in the current state. Take another long read-through of this thread, and even the last one, and please apply the ideas to this hot mess.

Yes, i know it is someones baby, and i know it hurts the pride to change it, but please, for the love of all that is Holy and good...do not release it in the current state.

Or should we be posting this on Reddit to actually get you to read/respond?
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#164 - 2015-05-29 17:06:15 UTC
Please tell me, that the version on SiSi is not final. Just read the patch notes and literally checked the second after whether something has changed on SiSi.

Every(!) frakking person in this threat was saying that set of icons needs work and the feadback was overlapping very well so most of the people had the same issues.

Again, please do not roll this out. My guess is, that you (CCP) wants the players to like this, maybe even path the way for more UI changes. Right now you will only alienate the playerbase against these changes.

Don't do this. Please.
Benito Arias
Angry Mustellid
Lost Obsession
#165 - 2015-05-29 17:18:52 UTC
On TQ:
Angle bracket = Player
Cross = NPC
Slanted cross = Drone
Other shape = everything else.

I can easily distinguish groups from one another at a glance, and after that, if i need to, I look into details.

On Sisi:
Messy shape = Player
The very same messy shape = NPC
Messy shape = Drone
Other shapes, sometimes messy = everything else.

I cannot tell one from another at a glace. The messy shapes blend together when looking at a bunch of them zoomed out.

Don't need that.

Dear CCP, you who were pointing out that shapes are processed my the brain before colour (re: new Neocom icons), how can you expect this mess to be an improvement?


Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#166 - 2015-05-29 17:19:08 UTC
Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:


Don't do this. Please.


Please just add a box like the new star map - some people do not want this, and you would be better served by getting an idea of just how many people do not want it. Please let me use the icons I can actually use and allow to use the old set.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2015-05-29 17:38:14 UTC
It's in the patch notes for Carnyx ...Ugh

I'm my own NPC alt.

Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#168 - 2015-05-29 21:03:03 UTC
I read the patch notes at work and did a double face palm.

Desert Ice78 wrote:
I've read the patch notes and checked Sisi and CCP, you once again have ignored all our feedback so I hope you have your ear muffs with you on Tuesday, as the screaming when this goes live is going to be deafening.
And we are going to say "told you so" and they are going to say "but the feedback was so positive"... You can't fix stupid.

Masao Kurata wrote:
Having now checked out the new deployable icons I can safely say that my brain is being overloaded by the overview. This is too much granularity.
KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid... simple is better. We only need to know its a frigate, not that it is a noob frigate or a mining frigate (btw, each of which only have 1 variant)... likewise, we only need to know its a drone, not that it is a small rep drone or a hvy combat drone or a med ewar (if we care about the drone, we will see it in a million other ways)...

They did the correct thing and re-grouped all the sentry turrets into the same icon after originally trying to split them out, so why continue this absurd variance and granularity with so many of these things we don't need/care about?

Is anyone in CCP even reading this thread anymore or was it deemed irrelevant like so many other feedback threads that didn't give CCP the response they wanted so they just ignored and went a completely different direction... ship SKINs anyone?
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#169 - 2015-05-29 23:23:45 UTC
Yes, like most of the people here, when I saw the patch note I run to SISI to check the icons. Them .. https://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg

I have to admit, the icon change was my most expected change for this patch, but now… I do not know what to say.. I am very disappointed…

Why you CCP guys do not listen the feedback here? We (here) are the people who care. I simple cannot understand why your propose are better them this: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1505/NoUTVmZ3.png ? Everyone here agree that it is a better design, that it has clear progression through classes.. everyone said that the current pod icon are better than the proposed one.. why not keep it? Why you have to stick with your idea of perfection? Just because of it is your idea? I just cannot see other reason for not change..

I really hope that it not carved at a stone, and the miracle will happens..

If not: http://i.imgur.com/bazqF.gif

Castelo
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#170 - 2015-05-30 01:25:14 UTC
The more I look at the new Overview icons that are inbound... incoming... duck and cover....

Yeah, the new icons for sorting space rocks for nomming are decent. Ships, drones, smaller structures, mobile depot, whether being flown by an NPC or another player...

No. No. If I wanted to learn ranking stars, bars, chevrons and rockers, I would've joined a branch of the RL Military. Too cluttered to be readable on a smaller screen, compuzzling as income tax itemization, and doesn't give a warning on what just warped into General Range. I can only imagine the cluster frak that will be around trading hub bases.

CCP, if you're going to insist on loading them as they are, at least give us an opt out like with the new "Improved!!" map (which has it's own problems, starting with circle for icon and it doesn't zoom close enough for tolerable use).

If it does go live on TQ, Brace! It's gonna be loud. This is looking like busy work change for change's sake, not for a positive improvement reason.

Le sigh. Think I just started becoming a 'Bitter Vet'.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#171 - 2015-05-30 10:43:03 UTC
I knew this was going to happen the moment CCP didn't follow this up with a second overview icons dev blog.

Can only pray this goes the same way those dreadful weapon icons went before they got replaced back => dodo.
It's not that I'm against change but you better improve what you're replacing or do nothing at all.


Anyway pushing this through willingly and knowingly is standard CCP practice, nothing here that has changed, sadly.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#172 - 2015-05-30 14:55:26 UTC
So is this going to be a *screw you* towards all people that don't play on factory settings? Cause 90% scaling is still unusable.
Since I'm guessing 90% is not the insignificant minority, I'm amazed how the incompability is a non-factor here.



Fergus Runkle
Truth and Reconciliation Council
#173 - 2015-05-30 15:06:14 UTC
/me grabs popcorn.

This is going to be good. Twisted
Atreides 47
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2015-05-30 22:18:35 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/NLyZkL0.png

New Stargate Icon = http://i.imgur.com/wcrKOd0.jpg
Too much weed this time CCP :]

Long Live the Fighters !

CCP and nerfs - http://i.imgur.com/MejTGfL.jpg

Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#175 - 2015-05-31 00:53:27 UTC
Could we also get speed vectors ? Working with radar scopes I like the way to visualise course and speed. Would make the life of a frig pilot so much easier.

The icons are a hard learn but will make the game easier on the long term, Would be cooler if you would reserve one shape + letter for an tye of ship (military style like triangle + F or so) but the icons now work. Just more to learn.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#176 - 2015-05-31 02:32:54 UTC
Unfortunately, CCP abandoned this thread like 3 weeks ago, after they 'fixed' the pacman stargate...still looks the same to me.

Why did any of us waste our time doing all this leg work giving them good useable examples of a decent icon set...only for them to just ignore it because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Given that, why do we continue to fall for this...time after bloody time...they say "hey we want your feedback"...only pay attention for the first day or so...then ignore anything else after they make one or two token 'changes' to be able to say "hey we did this, and this" after the crap hits the fan.
RangerGord
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#177 - 2015-05-31 02:58:12 UTC
Apart from the complete lack of dev responses to the incredibly valid concerns and plenty of better use examples. I have to agree, why do we fall for this scam EVERY SINGLE TIME...

Back on topic, I think they just plain outright completely failed to understand what the overview/icon is for, to give a very quick, very basic overview of what is in space. Anything you need more detail about has about a million very easy ways to see that info very quickly.

This is going to blow up GD come tuesday, that is, if they ever fix the posting errors that some browsers are having (and no, I'm not going to use IE and Chrome is from the devil and I hate dealing with it and its problems at work).
Mag's
Azn Empire
#178 - 2015-05-31 09:07:55 UTC
Lyta Jhonson wrote:
This is great.

As the old saying says, K.I.S.S. 'keep it simple stupid'.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Einheit X-6
Ushra'Khan
#179 - 2015-05-31 11:03:05 UTC
Lil' Brudder Too wrote:
Unfortunately, CCP abandoned this thread like 3 weeks ago, after they 'fixed' the pacman stargate...still looks the same to me.

Why did any of us waste our time doing all this leg work giving them good useable examples of a decent icon set...only for them to just ignore it because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Given that, why do we continue to fall for this...time after bloody time...they say "hey we want your feedback"...only pay attention for the first day or so...then ignore anything else after they make one or two token 'changes' to be able to say "hey we did this, and this" after the crap hits the fan.



because on the rebalance front, feedback has proven to be of value even if not everyone agrees every time.
In this case, even a single "Sry guys thanks fpr the input, but we will force this through because of the following reasons" would have been something.

I still hope they pull the plug on this last minute.
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#180 - 2015-05-31 11:07:14 UTC
That mess is going to be a nightmare with my eyesight.
lovely, great work, thanks ccp, i always wanted to be unable to use the overview at a glance.