Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I believe that Jayne means that the people on earliest after the news cancelation will still benefit more that people that are late to the party. I may be entirely wrong as this is outside my area of expertise.

I'm pretty damn sure that is what he meant.

To be quite honest, that somebody got bent over by this is of less concern that EUTZ seems to get a distinct advantage on these announcements. But since CCP Devs pop up all over the place hinting at things to come, maybe it is less of a concern.

you won't get one lol....people don't like when greed backfires. IIRC this not even a new thread. I think the last time ccp dropped CA implants out of the blue some were ranting somewhere on the boards.

buy orders can be your friend, can also be your enemy. Place them wisely. Me my buy orders are usually staple items that are stable price wise. Ammo, non shiny mods, etc. Barring a massive change to say vanilla t1 ammo to make faction ammo worthless I don't see me getting screwed with lots of faction ammo buy orders out at times. And even then...hell if t1 ammo truly kick ass I'd take the loss and say oh well....I get kick ass t1 ammo as a consolation tbh.

High value stuff....I am there to watch them simmer. But that's me. Stuck in deep 0.0, dead tired but yet I watched timers run cold before I logged. If I won't leave a ship in the hundreds of mil isk to dangle and be lost still in space not truly logged off, why the hell would I leave a buy order open that can do the same thing.

The whole tz thing....CCP is working their TZ. If like most enterprise web flows this blog went from writer to editor desk. then to the staging server. webmaster approves (or disapproves) content, sync to production server to be on web. IS the sync acting up...call up the IT slaves. Lots of people in this process. Many I gather like working this in during their normal work hours.

Indeed. Someone is always going to benefit or lose whenever a market making change like this is made regardless of if you cancel some orders.

And exactly what orders would you cancel? The CA-3/4 is obvious, but should CCP cancel CA-1/2 as well as demand for them is likely going to be changed by this announcement? Or the other implants that share the same slot as CA-3/4 which will be now in less demand, at least temporarily? Or what about game changes that are less clear? Say CCP tweaks a useless module to make it 50% more useful, or slightly nerfs a popular ship so that it will be less in demand. These changes will move the market, so should CCP cancel these orders too? Where do you draw the line?

Market speculation is high-risk, high-reward. Perhaps CCP should be more aware of this time zone issue (I think they already are to be honest) and stagger the release time of information like this a bit, but cancelling orders to arbitrarily protect some traders (those with buy orders), which will hurt other traders (those with inventory) for no benefit to the game or the market seems like a poor idea all-around.

Market speculation is, by it's very nature, an inherently unfair activity. It allows one to prey on and profit off of the unwillingness or inability of others to do what you are doing. The only way to make it fair is remove it entirely, which in the case of eve would involve devs attempting to program in obscure mechanisms into the market to restrict the flow of activity. In short, no amount of begging or pleading will make it happen. Suck up your losses and learn how to wage economic warfare with the big kids.

Watch the "confessions of an eve trillionaire" fanfest talk. One of the ways he mentions making the largest amount of his money is by speculating on patch changes. Apparently CCP has no issue with it if they've invited him to discuss it.

Financial PVP--nothing to see here, move along folks.

There was A LOT of speculation going on before the SKINSs devblog was announced since SKINs had been so heavily discussed in the months prior to the announcements. This is the reason why certain skins a la the rokh nugo edition is selling for a fraction of it's aurum value. Many people stocked these ships in advance, either on purpose or coincidentally.

Anyway, if you do have information about people trading on actual insider information instead of just speculation, that needs to be forwarded to internal affairs. It's taken very seriously.

Indeed.

Everyone had months to acquire theirs, plus all market orders were canceled and Broker fees refunded on patch day. On Highend minerals - Fanfest lasted three whole days with no specific details except Something Something, and if my memory serves me well, o7 Show was aired around 21:00 EVT on April 1st.

I am sorry about your Megacytes.

I am sorry about your SKINs.

I am sorry about your MWDs.

Can't disclose what TZ I am in, but I operate around the Planck-time second.



Bingo.

Exquisite item valuations and paper profits are just that - make-believe & just paper.

Did you guys also hear that T2 BPOs are not for producing?

I had someone peddle me a Fury Heavy Missile II BPO for 24bn, with the per-batch profits being 71k ISK, equaling to around 35 mil per month of non-stop production and unchanging input costs.

Remove the risk of speculation and you make speculation free money.

Stop crying life is not fair.