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[June] [Updated] Module Tiericide - Afterburners & Microwarpdrives

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Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#41 - 2015-05-04 13:39:48 UTC
I really like the new "compact" options, that have been lacking. The storyline modules have been buffed to compensate the loss of their fitting superiority, so it's fine.

However, as has been stated very early on in this post, I recommend that the maximal speed is not increased here. If you want to make higher meta modules faster, that's great, but nerf the lower tier modules instead of buffing the higher tier ones. The very last thing we need is even more speed.

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Lochiel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2015-05-04 13:41:35 UTC
How about having the order of the name be
nMN [Modifier Name] [Flavor Name] [MWD|AB]

So that when I search for "5MN Restrained" I get exactly the module I was looking for?
Spugg Galdon
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-05-04 13:42:06 UTC
I'm currently reading this whilst traveling in a car (as a passenger, don't call the whoop whoop space police) on an iPhone so I haven't read that obscene wall of text.
However I'm pleased that module tiercide has made it to the real meaty modules.

I was expecting prop miss to get fully fleshed out though. Currently there aren't enough meta modules to fill each potential role.
I would have liked to have seen this:
Tech one gives x speed boost for y capacitor and z fitting (MWD cap penalty w)
Compact gives x+5% speed for y+10% capacitor and z-20% fitting
Enduring gives x+5% speed for y-25% capacitor and z+10% fitting
Improved gives x+15% speed for y+30% capacitor and z+20% fitting
(MWD) Restrained gives x+5% speed for y+5% capacitor z+10%fitting and w-20%
Tech two gives x+20% speed for y+15% capacitor and z+20% fitting (MWD w-20%)

As you can see, there are substantial benefits and drawbacks to each module giving people actual and meaningful choice.

That's just my two cents though

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Odeva Pawen
Aideron Robotics
#44 - 2015-05-04 13:43:00 UTC
I really don't like seeing the speed boost going even higher. There are already too many too fast ships flying around these days.

Also, I thought module tiericide was intended to make the meta versions greater to the meta 0 in one area, and then weaker in other areas. Are you ever going to implement something like that, CCP?

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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Brothers of Tangra
#45 - 2015-05-04 13:46:36 UTC
That tiny speed increase is nice to see.
most of these people don't remember the old 625% mwd's...

The names.. too far.

Limited 1mn Compression drive
Limited 1mn Endurance drive
Limited 1mn Reduction drive


Experimental 10mn Compression drive
Experimental 10mn Endurance drive
Experimental 10mn Reduction drive

Prototype 100mn Compression drive
Prototype 100mn Endurance drive
Prototype 100mn Reduction drive

is less of a mouthfull
Titus Tallang
EVE University
Ivy League
#46 - 2015-05-04 13:47:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Titus Tallang
Would it be possible to keep the size and the "Afterburner" or "Microwarpdrive" together? It makes buying them easier (you can simply search for "10mn afterburner" and find all of them.

So for example "Cold-Gas Enduring 500MN Microwarpdrive" instead of "500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive".

Besides that - I like it, and I think you've struck a good balance between conserving flavor and adding clarity.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#47 - 2015-05-04 13:47:15 UTC
Gorski Car wrote:
Nice to see that t2 mwds are actually faster now. But really do we need more speed creep in eve? it feels like ships are super fast right now and that creates some problems in my opinion. In a vacum they might be okish whats most important is what you guys are planning to do with links since they heavily affect this as well. For certain ships these changes might be terrifying though. Garmurs doing 10k m/s or stilettos burning 100km and tackeling you before you can lock them.


This. Kiting is already the go-to meta.

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PsychoticSmurf
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#48 - 2015-05-04 13:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: PsychoticSmurf
CCP Larrikin wrote:

Q: Why have you changed the MWDs to 5/50/500MN?
A: We want show there is a clear increase in power between Afterburners and Microwarpdrives. It also makes searching the market a little easier.
...
Q: What happens to my meta (Limited/Experimental) modules
A: This -
"Limited 1MN Afterburner I" become "1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner"
"Experimental 1MN Afterburner I" become "1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner"
"Experimental 10MN Afterburner I" become "10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner"
"Experimental 100MN Afterburner I" become "100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner"
"Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I" become "5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive"
"Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I" become "5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive"
"Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I" become "50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive"
"Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I" become "500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive"



thanks for breaking all fittings on wikis/forums etc, also ruining legacy archies, history killmails
Niralos Shooah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-05-04 13:47:55 UTC
Flavor text is an unnecessary gimmick, not to mention AB's and MWD's didn't previously have any. Please don't obfuscate for no reason, or if you do keep it to storyline modules. Restrained/compact/enduring is fine.
Eli Porter
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2015-05-04 13:48:07 UTC
The 450% sig radius bloom MWD's are really cool. Might make MWD HAC's more popular.
Serenit Adoulin
Stille Gewalt
#51 - 2015-05-04 13:52:04 UTC
Please try not to mess up the deadspace ballance.

Gistum MWDs need more power to fit, more GJ for activation and are slower now compared to other one. Thats not really what I would consider fair.

Making other modules usable is good but dont screw it up. After the changes there would be no reason for using angel MWDs
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2015-05-04 13:56:20 UTC
Niralos Shooah wrote:
Flavor text is an unnecessary gimmick, not to mention AB's and MWD's didn't previously have any. Please don't obfuscate for no reason, or if you do keep it to storyline modules. Restrained/compact/enduring is fine.

Prop mods had flavour text a few years back before they were renamed to the current conventions, this is restoring many of the old names.

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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#53 - 2015-05-04 13:58:09 UTC
Niralos Shooah wrote:
Flavor text is an unnecessary gimmick, not to mention AB's and MWD's didn't previously have any.

Oh but they did. Many years ago. CCP removed it because they thought it was confusing and needless. That's how we ended up with Limited/Experimental/Prototype prop mods.
HTC NecoSino
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#54 - 2015-05-04 13:59:12 UTC
SpaceyX wrote:
Where are the capital propulsion mods?


My 175m/s archon approves.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#55 - 2015-05-04 13:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Ships are already too fast. With links and snakes it's trivial to make frigates outspeed anti-frigate weapons like warriors and light missiles. Don't even get me started on ships going 10km/s on a 1Hz server. Please either keep them as is or nerf the weaker MWDs.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2015-05-04 14:00:43 UTC
Titus Tallang wrote:
Would it be possible to keep the size and the "Afterburner" or "Microwarpdrive" together? It makes buying them easier (you can simply search for "10mn afterburner" and find all of them.


Um, under this naming format you could just search for the thrust category - querying just "10mn" on the market search would bring up all the Cruiser-sized afterburners.

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Eva Peacemaker
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#57 - 2015-05-04 14:01:03 UTC
Why make the names harder to understand instead of what you've been doing recently that tried to tune down the silly names?
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner seriously?
PsychoticSmurf
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#58 - 2015-05-04 14:04:50 UTC
because small, medium and large is to complex to understand
Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#59 - 2015-05-04 14:10:07 UTC
SpaceyX wrote:
Where are the capital propulsion mods?


Just nnoo.
Dave Stark
#60 - 2015-05-04 14:11:56 UTC
open market window

"10mn"

half the prop mods don't show up.

the 5/50/500MN stuff is bad, don't do it.