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[June] [Updated] Module Tiericide - Afterburners & Microwarpdrives

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#181 - 2015-05-04 22:12:45 UTC
woohoo for the flavor names coming back! really miss my y-t8s

also like the 1/10/100, 5/50/500 split as that way I can just type 10mn and get all cruiser afterburners, or 500mn and get all the BS microwarpdrives. I do support moving the names around so they all have "flavor text, quality, size, type" so YT-8 Compact 50mn Microwarpdrive, that way a search for "50mn micro" will also show all cruiser sized MWDs. and "compact 5" will show all compact microwarpdrives.

I do think there is some oddness with the meta 8 mods (think it is a typo). same cap penalty and speed bonus, but different cap use and I'm not sure the 450 vs 470 sig radius penalty, is a meaningful difference, oh right and doesn't apply to afterburners. the PG vs CPU tradeoffs have been there. oh and the cap use seems to be reversed by faction going from meta 8 to higher meta. domination is high cap use and gist is low, where serp is low cap and core is high? looking in game it looks like there is a typo there as the difference from tq value doesn't work.

will defer commentary on the speed bonus to others. all I'll say is that I remember speed getting nerfed at least twice.

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Miali Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2015-05-04 22:28:12 UTC
T2 MWDs still seem really underwhelming - almost worse than they are now compared to the restrained meta drive.

Don't really see a problem with very high meta stuff getting somewhat faster (sure it's silly in combination with links/snakes/particular ships, but what isn't?), but keeping meta 0-5 where they are or lower would be good.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#183 - 2015-05-04 22:28:31 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Tiberian Deci wrote:
Who on earth uses the search function on a regular basis. Even if you didn't know what the name of the mod is that you were looking for you could still search for "Microwarp drive" and it will bring up the relevant modules. If you're searching for "Experimental 10MN Afterburner" why the hell are you searching, you already know where it is just use the menu to get there.

I use it nearly exclusively to find things in the market. I hate the menus, submenus, subsubmenues, expanding and collapsing menus. A simple "1MN A" in the search field and I get all I want. Same for "Javelin", "Antim", "Dram", "Cyna", "Provi", "Conflag", "Experimental" ... you get the picture. I do not understand why people use the menus in the first place. As soon as you have used modules often enough, you should have memorized their names and will be a whole lot faster with the search function to get to the modules than with clicking and scrolling through the menus. The only time when I find the menus useful is when I look for special things that I do not use often.


I pretty much always use search, far faster to type a few letters (and for the most part that is really all you need) and get exactly what I want then to mouse through the browser. Although there are a few mods without standardized names that cause trouble, stupid meta webs.

add in the new find group in browse tab button search is awesome!

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#184 - 2015-05-04 22:36:35 UTC
As others have said, bringing MWD speed bonuses down a little would probably be a welcome change - start the meta-0 modules at 450% instead of 500% with the high-metas peaking at around 475-480 and it will help to bring some of the crazier speeds currently possible back in line. Maybe reduce the sig bloom in the same way to compensate.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#185 - 2015-05-04 22:41:40 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
... Although there are a few mods without standardized names that cause trouble, stupid meta webs...


I hear ya! My guess is that they will get to them at some point too.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#186 - 2015-05-04 22:42:36 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Charlie Firpol wrote:
A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat.

Hrm, Can I see you friends math?

With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting -
  • 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
  • 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded



Woops, forgot Quafe Zero!

With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (3x faction overdrives, high grade snakes, zor's custom navigation link, max fleet bonuses and quafe zero) in KSpace I'm getting -
  • 9036 m/s Prepatch > 9327 m/s Postpatch
  • 13085 m/s Prepatch > 13140 m/s Postpatch Overloaded



Cough.. Black Hole effect wormholes.. *cough*

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Warde Guildencrantz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#187 - 2015-05-04 23:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Warde Guildencrantz
Instant +1 for Y-T8's return (even if it used to be a 10mn microwarpdrive, not a 1mn microwarpdrive)

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#188 - 2015-05-04 23:54:43 UTC
Quick version feedback.

More work needed on Meta 0. CCP you need to work out what role Meta 0 modules should actually have and tell us. If that role is only to be used as a build for T2 modules and to invent from, fine, but be clear that's the intent. Otherwise they need a real role.
Speeds, slow down MWD please. As suggested, 400% base, officers can stay at 500% I guess or even 450%. Need for speed meta is not good. (Missiles also need 'long range' ammo that goes faster and precision missiles should get more speed to help with the speed meta also).
Naming. Should be able to search 1mn Compact and compare MWD & AB, to decide which you want on a fit. Naming needs to be in easy search order with fluff parts of the name not interfering with that search.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#189 - 2015-05-05 00:10:55 UTC
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Q: What happens to my meta (Limited/Experimental) modules
A: This -

  • "Experimental 100MN Afterburner I" become "100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner"
First impression is that they are longer, meaningless names.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#190 - 2015-05-05 00:44:10 UTC
My thoughts:

- Range them from 450 to 500, not 500 to 520.
- Keep only 'cool' old names, not all of them. Cold-Gas is (IMO) 'cool'. Monopropellant? Just no.
- Restrained is by far the best budget one - is this the intention? I suggest 400% sigbloom, 25% cap drain instead of 450/20.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#191 - 2015-05-05 00:51:36 UTC
Hummm i think the objective of "decomplexification" is not achieved here ...

Please ccp you need to review the new MWD with the overoverover ships in the game
orthrus, Worm , svipul ...

I think a ship going at 7km/s ...it's just too much

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

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Iroquoiss Pliskin
9B30FF Labs
#192 - 2015-05-05 01:06:29 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:
CCP Larrikin wrote:
Charlie Firpol wrote:
A friend of mine that regulary flies boosted, snaked factionfit Garmurs just did the numbers. His Garmur will be 1440m/s faster after this, without heat.

Hrm, Can I see you friends math?

With a Gistii A-Type 1/5MN Microwarpdrive fit Garmur (faction, snakes, zor's custom, and max fleet bonuses) in KSpace I'm getting -
  • 8606 m/s Prepatch > 8883 m/s Postpatch
  • 12462 m/s Prepatch > 12514 m/s Postpatch Overloaded


Rekt.

That said, now that you've differentiated MWDs, I proposed to reduce all MWD base speed values by 50, so A-Types get 468%, Tech 2 460% and so forth.

Things are getting a little too Need For Speedy II.


This man needs to be heard!


Here's their chance.

Will they deliver? Blink

I agree with other posters with respect to having a wider speed boost band between the different Meta MWDs. Base 500% in an OGB world is bad.

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Zeus Cronus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2015-05-05 01:33:56 UTC
Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#194 - 2015-05-05 01:37:59 UTC
Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf.

gg CCP Lapdog.

I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back.

And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#195 - 2015-05-05 01:40:12 UTC
Zeus Cronus wrote:
Ppl complaining about these ships going to fast sure as hell got teflon brains, or are just to young to remember.


Said the two day old troll and was never heard from again

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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#196 - 2015-05-05 02:04:08 UTC
Ship balancing is one of the most important issues to a fair amount of people - does the ship variety out there lend itself to fun match ups and interactions? Do we actually see people fielding a variety of ships? I don't think it does, and I don't think they currently do.

People want visceral, bloody combat, especially with the new sov system supposedly emphasizing smaller gang warfare. It's going to be a real disappointment if we just see the same boring kiting line-ups all the time. People are tired of fights not happening because both fleets/entities are sufficiently agile to disengage at moments notice. It's not one thing that causes this syndrome, just a general continual selective buffing of speed, application and range.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#197 - 2015-05-05 02:16:00 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf.

gg CCP Lapdog.

I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back.

And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition.




... ... ... most of the feedback from Goonswarm people in this thread has been suggesting changes to the proposed implementation.


But don't let logic get in the way of a GRR GOONS rant!

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Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#198 - 2015-05-05 02:57:00 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Yet another gewn buff and huge south nerf.

gg CCP Lapdog.

I'm starting to wonder if I should get to finding ways of getting my subscription money back.

And yes, I guess I'm going to unsub for a while, post-fanfest series of gewn buffs is overwhelming, CCP Lapdog really intends to give eve to one coalition.




... ... ... most of the feedback from Goonswarm people in this thread has been suggesting changes to the proposed implementation.


But don't let logic get in the way of a GRR GOONS rant!


I don't see a flaw on my logic, it's gewns we're talking about - no matter how incredible buff they're about to get is, be it perfectly tuned for their bot miner fleets rebalance of null ores, capital nerfs, or ultra-safe afk/bot ratting environment Phoebe has brought, they will always try for even more.
"suggesting changes" my ass...

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Mitch Ryan
Zirconium Industries
#199 - 2015-05-05 03:07:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mitch Ryan
Is changing all the module names actually necessary? Seems you like you are making more work for yourselves and over complicating things.
Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#200 - 2015-05-05 03:17:33 UTC
Uh, is the "compact" 100mn AB going to make it easier to fit those ridiculous 100mn AB tengu fits? Because they need to die.

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