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how are WH systems ISK faucets?
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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#1 - 2011-12-05 04:03:53 UTC
i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-05 04:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Ager Agemo wrote:
i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK.


Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway)

Same goes for rogue drones.
or faction drops
or complex stuff ..
Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it.

So figure it out heh.. Shocked

Only market manipulation is not faucet since it does not create ISK from something which has been created. It creates ISK from nothing. Sound interesting, worked well. / * if i dont count obvious sinks ofc. like taxes.
Gaius Inferis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-05 04:07:30 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
i fail.


fixed that for you
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#4 - 2011-12-05 04:09:19 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK.


Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway)

Same goes for rogue drones.
or faction drops
or complex stuff ..
Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it.

So figure it out heh.. Shocked




there are no missions and no rewards from wormholes... any isk someone gets from WH explotation already existed in game.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2011-12-05 04:11:29 UTC
The wormholes themselves aren't. The NPC buy orders for certain bits of sleeper left-overs are.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-05 04:13:30 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK.


Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway)

Same goes for rogue drones.
or faction drops
or complex stuff ..
Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it.

So figure it out heh.. Shocked




there are no missions and no rewards from wormholes... any isk someone gets from WH explotation already existed in game.


Indeed .. that was my point..

But as Tippia said .. probably.. .
expert at things like faucets and sinks. Cool
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#7 - 2011-12-05 04:14:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The wormholes themselves aren't. The NPC buy orders for certain bits of sleeper left-overs are.



ahh thanks a lot tippia, gave you a like for a nice answer, didn't knew there were npc orders for sleeper drops...

now wtf why there are still npc buy orders for stuff in eve?!
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-05 04:16:11 UTC
The strict definition of an 'isk faucet' is an in-game activity which causes NEW isk to be generated from NPC sources as payout for player effort.

'Blue loot' (sleeper loot drops) do indeed generate some isk, though no more really than L4 missions.

Most of the isk earned from Wormholes is in player trade, selling nanoribbons and such to other players, for isk that is already in game.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#9 - 2011-12-05 04:19:55 UTC
where did you see someone calling WHs isk faucets
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-05 04:22:30 UTC
Komen wrote:
The strict definition of an 'isk faucet' is an in-game activity which causes NEW isk to be generated from NPC sources as payout for player effort.

'Blue loot' (sleeper loot drops) do indeed generate some isk, though no more really than L4 missions.

Most of the isk earned from Wormholes is in player trade, selling nanoribbons and such to other players, for isk that is already in game.


People who buying that stuff ?? Where did they get ISKs ??? From *** ... hen and egg.. Someone, somewhere have to come out with that idea to start the whole process.

But Tippia answered .. And i would leave it at that..

Since another discussion about such is pointless..
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#11 - 2011-12-05 04:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ager Agemo
Morganta wrote:
where did you see someone calling WHs isk faucets



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=454262#post454262





NPC buy orders should be totally removed from the game, i don't get why they still exists if there is such a huge amount of players that needs to buy stuff all the time.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#12 - 2011-12-05 04:31:06 UTC
well thats certainly proof positive of the widely held belief that WHs are isk faucets.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-05 04:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
Ager Agemo wrote:
NPC buy orders should be totally removed from the game, i don't get why they still exists if there is such a huge amount of players that needs to buy stuff all the time.


The Sleeper blue loot is their equivalent of a bounty, since it would be rather silly to have bounties on the heads of individual Sleeper drones. If you remove the NPC buy orders, who's gonna buy that blue loot now? It doesn't *do* anything, so players certainly won't want it.


EDIT:- And if you were planning on replying "Well W-space is profitable enough already, it doesn't need the NPC blue loot buyers" then that's an entirely different arguement altogether and has nothing to do with NPC buy orders.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#14 - 2011-12-05 04:54:17 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe an isk faucet is an activity that directly generates isk where none was before. Isk faucets include npc bounties, insurance payouts, and npc buy orders. W-space generates only salvage, loot, and PI, none of which actually enriches your wallet until you sell it to another player for isk which already exists in game.

The opposite, isk sinks, include sovereignty bills, skillbook purchases, LP store payments, and unused insurance.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sidicarus
Stratton Ore
#15 - 2011-12-05 04:57:55 UTC
Its not an ISK faucet.

An ISK faucet is when ISK is "poofed" into existence via bounties and mission rewards. Selling a gained item to someone is zero sum, money is simply changing hands, ergo. WH's are not ISK faucets.

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Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-05 05:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
...did the two posters above me even read the thread, or have the first clue about w-space?

There are fixed NPC buy orders for the blue loot dropped by every Sleeper. This blue loot of a fixed quantity and type every time, and varies by ship class. It is the equivalent of a bounty, except with the added hassle of having to haul it out to k-space to sell. This particular facet of w-space is an ISK faucet.
Sidicarus
Stratton Ore
#17 - 2011-12-05 05:10:18 UTC
Jovan Geldon wrote:
...did the two posters above me even read the thread, or have the first clue about w-space?

There are fixed NPC buy orders for the blue loot dropped by every Sleeper. This blue loot of a fixed quantity and type every time, and varies by ship class. It is the equivalent of a bounty, except with the added hassle of having to haul it out to k-space to sell. This particular facet of w-space is an ISK faucet.



If that's the case then, yeah, I was wrong. Wasn't aware that there were NPC buy orders for Sleeper stuff, thought it all went into T3 production.

And in that case, I also agree that its flawed and very Eve Online circa 2005.

-If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams  
Selinate
#18 - 2011-12-05 05:57:31 UTC
since I never noticed this isk faucet in comparison to ribbons and the income I get from them, I hardly think it's really that important...
Marcanious
0be Trading
#19 - 2011-12-05 09:07:48 UTC
The Isk faucet isnt the blue loot dropping from the sleepers.

The isk faucet is the actual NPC buy orders for said blue loot
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#20 - 2011-12-05 11:03:58 UTC
WH also have good explorations sites to run aka ABC ores in them. As well as good planets for PI. Also helps that a drake then tengu can solo the lower lvl WHs.

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