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Any skin on any ship - bug on SiSi - yes we could have skins on ships

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#101 - 2015-05-02 09:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Can i please keep my gold Astero?

http://i.imgur.com/8Vqecqk.jpg

Tell me that's not glorious.


I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.

read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Solecist Project
#102 - 2015-05-02 09:05:43 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Can i please keep my gold Astero?

http://i.imgur.com/8Vqecqk.jpg

Tell me that's not glorious.


I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.

read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?

Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ...
... see how it works and make money from it ...
... and then getting the next set ready.

They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ...
... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ...
... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#103 - 2015-05-02 09:11:02 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Can i please keep my gold Astero?

http://i.imgur.com/8Vqecqk.jpg

Tell me that's not glorious.


I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.

read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?

Because it's more economic to get a small set ready for release ...
... see how it works and make money from it ...
... and then getting the next set ready.

They could have made all skins work out of the box for all ships ...
... but then people would complain about CCP not releasing those ...
... who are done already anyway. And it's a waste of time.

no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.

develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Solecist Project
#104 - 2015-05-02 09:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!

Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.

I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.

It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.

I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.

Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.

Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaydance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2015-05-02 09:23:34 UTC
Quote:

no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.

develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .


^

CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#106 - 2015-05-02 09:42:20 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Aaahhh! Sorry, my bad!

Well they showed off an editor at FF.
Not sure that's what they use.

I doubt inhouse tools are releasable for customers ...
... but the idea makes sense.

It does make less money though ...
... unless you want people to pay for their creations as well.

I'm sure they will release an editor at some point ...
... but not before the skin market has stabilised ...
... and all skins are available.

Releasing it early would just jeopardise their current work.

Oh and quite frankly speaking do I doubt that the majority of people ...
... would want to create their own. It's effort. And creativity is a rare treat too.

what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#107 - 2015-05-02 10:35:56 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Kerena Alabel wrote:
Can i please keep my gold Astero?

http://i.imgur.com/8Vqecqk.jpg

Tell me that's not glorious.


I'll be honest, when Space Object Factory became a thing, we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.

read that again,
now why isn't this the design for the feature from the outset?

Because it is like this.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Solecist Project
#108 - 2015-05-02 10:39:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day ..........................
........ and even more copies of copies of copies.

From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^

Your idea is great ...
... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#109 - 2015-05-02 10:42:18 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day ..........................
........ and even more copies of copies of copies.

From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^

Your idea is great ...
... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD

so put a non-trivial pay wall there,

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#110 - 2015-05-02 10:50:12 UTC
Kaydance wrote:
Quote:

no my point is , why spend the time selling us content when they could sell us the tools.

develop the process of ship painting further, then sell access to that .


^

CCP could charge quite a bit for this asset in NES and still have a lot of sales.


How aboutthere ould be a process similar to Alliance Logo creation?
Players or allinces submit some material or just a combination of existing styles, CCP approves SKINs lorewise and does the testing and then the thing becomes buyable for Aurum.

Option: exclusively purchaseable by the designer who has to buy a minimum of X units to start the process.
Then you could have unique looks for certain ships or certain fleets only for your alliance (or yourself if you are INCREDIBLY rich).
Or you could become a spaceship designer and have a monopoly on your designs.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#111 - 2015-05-02 11:07:24 UTC
Let us have it CCP please

You can still add and item in the Store to allow us to do it some kind of pirate or drifter kit
Need my police vexor :)

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#112 - 2015-05-02 11:17:44 UTC
James' strawberries! Is it a Police Pursuit Catalyst?!

Oh, yes, it is!

Just look at it! It even has the flashing lights!

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Solecist Project
#113 - 2015-05-02 11:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
what i have in my head would be on the service tab on the nes,
pay to paint,
let me play with everything but only export one hull
when finished it's sent to qa ,
they make sure you haven't broken anything
(im aware its not that simple , my hope would be that the system could facilitate expedience for the qa lads and lassies or whomever else would need to see the damn thing)
assuming there are no issues then the skin goes up on the nes with an aur price set by ccp
Hundreds of crappy skins coming in every single day ..........................
........ and even more copies of copies of copies.

From this POV I totally understand why they don't release an editor. ^_^

Your idea is great ...
... but it doesn't work with human beings. xD

so put a non-trivial pay wall there,

Roll

Yeah let's talk about fixes for this already. xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tara'Quoya Rax
Atlantis Asteria
#114 - 2015-05-02 14:02:56 UTC
Now that the cat is out of the bag as we can all see how very feasible it is to have any skin on any ship, limiting the skins to a small set of combinations at ridiculous prices is just appalling CCP.

I won't be buying any skin ever until generic skins come out.
Memphis Baas
#115 - 2015-05-02 14:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Thanks for your comments, CCP Darwin. I guess we'll have to apply restraint when considering what SKINs we want for our ships. Hopefully CCP realizes that they're telling the customer to NOT want to buy so much.

You are lucky that you don't allow mods to this game, because we would have been all over this ****** implementation of a great feature, corrected via mods in less that ... how long did it take them to find this bug? Actually, as a side note, if this game allowed mods, that would have been a constraint on CCP to release skins the right way, or we'd just mod-fix them. As it is, your track record is looking at EFT for 10 years before thinking to put that functionality in the game's fitting screen.

Anyway, Constraint Mode is on for me; I'm going to consider every skin that's made available based on cost, and what I actually get from that money in terms of gameplay. The per-ship system lets me spin ships with pretty colors, but doesn't allow me or anyone to build an in-game color reputation (and this game is about building a reputation - the Goons don't want yellow-black because it looks good; it looks like ****, but they'll fly it cause it's the team colors).

I'm going to ignore all these posted screenshots, because they simply build disappointment at what we can't have.

So, besides skins, which I'm ignoring now, what else is CCP working on? FozzieSov, maybe station revamp in the future. Hmm.
Ashterothi
The Order of Thelemic Ascension
The Invited
#116 - 2015-05-02 14:38:11 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:


The ideal is to find a way that retains that sense of fun and excitement from playing mix-and-match with ship looks while still keeping a sense that the most desirable ones are meaningful and rare to own, something to strive toward, and without disassociating our existing faction appearances from their lore connection.


I am great with this as long as

a) The theme of "player made universe" remains the underlining theme of the ship customization system.

b) "rare to own" is not defined by either luckiest, or one with the most real life money to throw at the game.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#117 - 2015-05-02 14:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
For those who are not so contrained: dustorama. Yeah, put those lasers to good use baby. Lol
Not so brown now, actually a lot better. Same as this one. Shocked

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#118 - 2015-05-02 15:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
The lore argument about we capsuleers (its different for NPC armies) being restricted in terms of what color we can put on our ships is BS and you know it.

As a space god, I DEMAND to be able to paint all my ships in black.

As a sandbox MMO player, I ask that there is a new career that lets player create ship designs and sell them to other players. This is a player driven univers god dammit, not a gothic sadness simulator.

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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#119 - 2015-05-02 15:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Spc One
CCP Darwin wrote:
we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.


These skins look amazing.

http://www.netsky.org/eve/PhantasmPolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/NightmarePolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/EosSarum.png

I hope that ccp will provide us with 2 basic color scheme skins that can be applied to any ship, not just t-1 variants.
Or at least hull skin, so if i own quafe megathron it can be applied to any megathron hull, like kronos or vindicator.
Cool

This would be super awesome.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#120 - 2015-05-02 15:14:31 UTC
Spc One wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
we all had these types of moments at CCP, mixing and matching ships and looks. It's enormously fun.


These skins look amazing.

http://www.netsky.org/eve/PhantasmPolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/NightmarePolice.png
http://www.netsky.org/eve/EosSarum.png

I hope that ccp will provide us with 2 basic color scheme skins that can be applied to any ship, not just t-1 variants.
Cool

This would be super awesome.

And it would upgrade tournament visuals, imagine red and blue teams on the screen, anybody also comentators on twitch knows who is who just by looking at ship.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!