EVE General Discussion

TFW the most popular feature in your expansion is a bug.

It time to burn Jita.

Don't normally comment on stuff like this, but what the heck I have the time today so here are a few quick thoughts:


Do SKINs confer any in game advantage? No they don't - thank God CCP has learned that lesson.

So then what is the issue here? Appears to be that new functionality for artwork can be applied far more generally (ie to many ships) than has previously been thought possible with the 1 skin per ship type model. CCP has now raised the issue of possible performance issues and although some folks are discounting that, I can tell you emphatically that in legacy code, stuff that appears to have no rational basis for impacting performance can do so. So if CCP has said this, lets cut them some slack.

Moving on.....

CCPs goal as a company is to maximize value for their owners/shareholders. I have no issues with this (and anyone who does is living in lala land), especially given that the most important element in maximising value most of the time is keeping their user base happy and growing it wherever possible. The key question for CCP is actually a simple one (assuming any performance issues can be managed) - can they generate more revenue/growth/profit from the single ship SKIN model or the multi-ship SKIN model? Simple question but tough to come up with the "right" answer.

Underlying issue in all of this is how important is artwork/the look of ships to the user base and how much are they willing to pay to have decorated ships.

Option 1 - continue with the single skin model. Will generate revenue from multiple skin purchases if price point is right and client interest is high (unclear at this point whether either is valid). Price points can be adjusted based on takeup rates and feedback. Will avoid the possible performance issues identified by CCP. Has the risk of annoying clients as the cat is now out of the bag re multi ship applicability of SKINs.

Option 2 - switch to a multi-ship SKIN model. Unclear whether revenue would increase or decrease from this switch (modelling required); has the benefit of being seen as responsive to player input. Will need to identify and address any performance issues (possible increased costs). Possible cost savings as there would be reduced need for additional skins from the Art department due to broader use of existing skins.

Option 3 - find a middle ground. Skins that can be applied to specific races or ship types but aren't limited to one ship. As with other options, need to assess demand and possible takeup rates to understand economic viability.


Red herring - the view of the dystopian Universe. Its a big universe in EVE. CCP can preserve the general dark/gritty feel while allowing for more individual expression that will in fact highlight the general darkness. Unless someone can definitively show how allowing more expression is going to reduce revenue/growth/profit I would recommend giving it a go.

CCP WHY YOU HATE US NOT LETTIN US DO WHAT WE WANT

It's not like they have been working on any way for players to have complete painting freedom for their ships. No way a greedy money grubbing company like CCP would do that.

calm yo ****.

E: on a side note, I am of the opinion that if I ever see Thukker camo on an Amarr hull, that is a personal offense and I will hunt you down until you plead to your god for mercy. Or not. Depends what my schedule looks like.

How quickly most of your forget.

The issues around Incarna was not because the Vanity Items was too expensive. Many of the issues didn't even have anything to do with the NEX store at all.

The issues were, in order:
- Lack of ANY Meaningful Development, Improvement, or Fixes to the actual Eve Game in over a Year.
- The Captains Quarters being Forced on everyone with no option to turn it off (causes a great deal of load on lower-end machines.
- The whole Walking in Stations having taken up a year and a half of Dev Time rather than game-play improvements.
- CCP Refusing to publicly states that they were NOT going to use the NEX Store for Pay2Win.
Vanity Items being expensive.

That's the order. CCP has done it right this time, for the most part.

Like or hate the SKIN's system, no one can say CCP hasn't done any other work on Eve since they started working on it. We've had major balance passes, new ships, new models, improvements to the core engine, etc.

Some of the big changes, like the Map, were Opt-in Beta's before they were pushed out to everyone. There's lots of issues with it still, but I'll be most of them could have been sorted out if people had of bothered to actively test it when it was in Beta, and post feedback. I've checked the threads, while the issues were raised, they were not raised by many till CCP forced it on everyone.

Prices, well ya, I think a lot of them are overprice, OR should be made available in game by other means. There seems to be little sense in the pricing structure for the SKIN's atm, Supers being most expensive makes sense, but there are frigates that cost more than BS's. That said, for an Initial Launch, it's not bad. Hopefully CCP will sort some of it out in the neat future.


People here talking about the Incarna Riots were by people that felt self-entitled.. no, they have honest to god issues. Issues which CCP listed too and quickly addressed I might add for the better of the game. The people who complain about the SKIN's system now and make it out to be like Incarna need their head examined.

Nice. Heres mine.

http://i.imgur.com/xsy4BNI.jpg

Can we have an official response as to why CCP is releasing features when they know it is bugged and potentially "cause increased load and client performance issues"

May I suggest that CCP changes to a release cycle that allowes for you to postpone features that include known bugs?... oh.. wait.. sorry... May I suggest that CCP starts to use the advantages of their release cycle instead of constantly releasing bugged updates? That would be great!

Not going to lie, this glitch pretty much makes the skin system function in a way that would actually have me participating now were it officially sanctioned. Not only because I can apply skins to hulls I actually fly regularly, but also because skinning a large number of hulls becomes a non-bank breaking proposition.

Going to agree with those who propose more general SKINS since the functionality exists rather than specific hull restrictions. If QA is the only thing standing in the way there isn't much reason to not enable further hulls to use a skin as QA passes them. There could even be a compromise where a skin applies to a particular ship size or something.

That is mighty pretty

Just check if any problem with performance... If not

Let us have it CCP..... Be smart everyone loves it and don't give us the lore thing reason.
You can say that a drifter #something# can make us apply any skin on any ship etc etc