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Gila vs Raven for L3/4 running
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Robby Kasparic
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2015-04-29 21:45:41 UTC
I have just gotten to the point of starting into L3s and have my eye on doing 4s with corpmates. Up to this point I have been using a Passive tanked Drake that still "works" for the L3s I have run into so far. In talking with corpmates, I know that this Drake will not be tough enough to survive an L4 and needs to be carefully managed in tougher L3s so Im looking at moving into something else in the short term. Long term I think a Rattlesnake is my best option, but I am far enough away from having the skills to fly it well that I feel the need for an intermediary solution. My choices seem to be between a Gila and a Raven as I have skilled Missiles as my Offensive system and Shields as my Tank. The fits I have been toying with in EVE HQ are below, but both with require some additional training.

The Gila. DPS figures with 2x Fed Navy Hammerhead and Missiles. Cap Stable per EVEHQ without the AB running
[Gila, Cavendish]

Drone Link Augmentor II
4x 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher (Scourge Heavy Missile)

Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
2x Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

3x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor I

3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

4x Caldari Navy Vespa
6x Federation Navy Hammerhead

[Statistics - Robby Kasparic]

Effective HP: 34,568 (Eve: 27,759)
Tank Ability: 136.50 DPS
Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 60.40%, Ex: 56.00%, Ki: 76.24%, Th: 68.32%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Lasts 6m)

Volley Damage: 2,073.83
DPS: 420.87


The Raven: Note DPS with 5x Fed Navy Hammerhead and Missiles.
[Raven, Colllingwood]

6x XT-9000 Cruise Launcher (Scourge Cruise Missile)
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Large Shield Extender II

3x Ballistic Control System II
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

5x Federation Navy Hammerhead
5x Federation Navy Hobgoblin

[Statistics - Robby Kasparic]

Effective HP: 64,584 (Eve: 53,344)
Tank Ability: 333.40 DPS
Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 66.73%, Ex: 65.00%, Ki: 58.00%, Th: 73.39%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Lasts 3m 12s)

Volley Damage: 3,523.23
DPS: 385.09

Any thoughts and comments are appreciated.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-04-29 23:12:25 UTC
Please look through the Ships&Modules forum part for exactly the same topics. That wouldn't take much time for you to find those. You would find them very helpfull and informative. And if you still would have any question you may ask in those threads.

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Robby Kasparic
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2015-04-29 23:37:53 UTC
I have been looking, but most of the info I have found has delt with the Navy Raven in comparison to the GIla. The Gila fit was built in looking at all the other Gila related content up recently. It seems like the Navy Raven is different enough from the standard Raven that it was worth the additional post to compare the fits. But I guess Im wrong and the usual saying about OP is true.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-04-30 00:30:55 UTC
Robby Kasparic wrote:
I have been looking, but most of the info I have found has delt with the Navy Raven in comparison to the GIla. The Gila fit was built in looking at all the other Gila related content up recently. It seems like the Navy Raven is different enough from the standard Raven that it was worth the additional post to compare the fits. But I guess Im wrong and the usual saying about OP is true.


You are correct, Guristas shisp are kind of different to Caldari. No matter Gila and Rattler share dual weapon system in most of the cases Drones are primary weapon of choice and missiles play support role.

As you've mentioned your goal would be most likely th eRattler you better stick to Gila and focus on it.

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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-04-30 00:45:09 UTC
Robby Kasparic wrote:

[Raven, Colllingwood]

6x XT-9000 Cruise Launcher (Scourge Cruise Missile)
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Large Shield Extender II

3x Ballistic Control System II
F-89 Synchronized Signal Amplifier
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

5x Federation Navy Hammerhead
5x Federation Navy Hobgoblin

[Statistics - Robby Kasparic]

Effective HP: 64,584 (Eve: 53,344)
Tank Ability: 333.40 DPS
Damage Profile - Omni-Damage (EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%)
Shield Resists - EM: 66.73%, Ex: 65.00%, Ki: 58.00%, Th: 73.39%
Armor Resists - EM: 50.00%, Ex: 10.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 45.00%

Capacitor (Lasts 3m 12s)

Volley Damage: 3,523.23
DPS: 385.09

Any thoughts and comments are appreciated.

This raven gonna die.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-04-30 01:03:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiddle Jr
This raven is newbe classic point of view. Very common. Buffer tank mixed with very cap agressive active tank in the meantime farest weapon range system which means his Raven would be hardly taking any damage from npc except frigs if those reach him fast enough.

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Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-04-30 08:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Yolli Sly
Robby Kasparic wrote:
I have just gotten to the point of starting into L3s and have my eye on doing 4s with corpmates. Up to this point I have been using a Passive tanked Drake that still "works" for the L3s I have run into so far. In talking with corpmates, I know that this Drake will not be tough enough to survive an L4 and needs to be carefully managed in tougher L3s so Im looking at moving into something else in the short term. Long term I think a Rattlesnake is my best option, but I am far enough away from having the skills to fly it well that I feel the need for an intermediary solution. My choices seem to be between a Gila and a Raven as I have skilled Missiles as my Offensive system and Shields as my Tank. The fits I have been toying with in EVE HQ are below, but both with require some additional training.


Any thoughts and comments are appreciated.



If you can afford if - use both. They do equally well(bad) lvl 4, but play stile is very different, so try both.

But if If you can afford only one and you goal is Rattlesnake - Gila is only way.

Here fits I use (take this fits as just something to think about, not as "best fits ever"). Thay work just fine for me:

[Gila - optimize vs Gurista]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Drone Link Augmentator I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2

and,

[Raven – vs All]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Large Micro Jump Drive
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines I

“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
“Arbalest” Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Hobgoblin II x 5

Gila`s fit above needs CPU managment lvl 5 and 3% implant or some experimental amplifiers (B-tipes are enough). Refit amplifiers and use one or two (or tree) Adaptive accoring to mission.
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#8 - 2015-04-30 10:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
Why are you mixing different rigs for Gila, why do you need to run passive hardeners ?!?!?!

It's been discussed so many times how to fit a Gila.

Here is the fit :

[Gila, lvl4 cheap]

4-x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
2-x Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


2-x 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2

If you cant handle incoming damage (obviously you doing something wrong), then swap one damage mod for shield power relay.
If you have Isk and you aren't worried about gankers, then fit navy damage mods for extra DPS. With navy damage mods it is possible to fit pith X-type hardeners. Then it is possible to fit 2 hardeners and drone navigation comp.

With maxed out skills, navy mods and augmented hammerheads you can do almost 1000 dps....why would you wan't to use a Raven ?
Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-04-30 11:04:38 UTC
atomic killer wrote:
Why are you mixing different rigs for Gila, why do you need to run passive hardeners ?!?!?!

It's been discussed so many times how to fit a Gila.

Here is the fit :

[Gila, lvl4 cheap]

4-x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
2-x Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


2-x 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2

If you cant handle incoming damage (obviously you doing something wrong), then swap one damage mod for shield power relay.
If you have Isk and you aren't worried about gankers, then fit navy damage mods for extra DPS. With navy damage mods it is possible to fit pith X-type hardeners. Then it is possible to fit 2 hardeners and drone navigation comp.

With maxed out skills, navy mods and augmented hammerheads you can do almost 1000 dps....why would you wan't to use a Raven ?


1. Because I fly Gila in the game, not in forums or EFT/PIFA;
2. Because I spent about half bilion ISK for rigs and shield modules to find optimal (for me! and in the game) mix of active/pasive modules and rigs;
3. Because pasive shield's "Golden" rule - size first, then resists, then refresh rate;
4. Because stacking penalties;
5. Raven, because OP topic`s title.

to continue?

1000 DPS with Gila, maxed skils and augmented drones - LOL. Man, have you ever seen Gila`s hull?
Banko Mato
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-04-30 15:27:34 UTC
Yolli Sly wrote:
atomic killer wrote:
Why are you mixing different rigs for Gila, why do you need to run passive hardeners
[...]


1. Because I fly Gila in the game, not in forums or EFT/PIFA;
2. Because I spent about half bilion ISK for rigs and shield modules to find optimal (for me! and in the game) mix of active/pasive modules and rigs;
3. Because pasive shield's "Golden" rule - size first, then resists, then refresh rate;
4. Because stacking penalties;
5. Raven, because OP topic`s title.

to continue?

1000 DPS with Gila, maxed skils and augmented drones - LOL. Man, have you ever seen Gila`s hull?




Out of curiosity: Why passive resistance modules at all and what stacking penalty are you talking about that would warrant your fit to be the way you presented it? Other than fitting limitations (bad skills) or extreme neut pressure there imho is no valid reason to ever go for passive shield resistance mods....
Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-04-30 16:16:47 UTC
My Gila - Lagertha

Shield tanked like a Viking shieldmaiden

[Gila, Lagertha (EM)]
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier
Damage Control II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist B-Type EM Ward Field ( Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field / Gist B-Type Explosive Deflection Field )
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Corelum B-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Dark Blood Medium Nosferatu

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

'Augmented' Hammerhead x5
'Augmented' Vespa x5


Scourge Fury Heavy Missile x3300
Inferno Fury Heavy Missile x3300
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile x4000
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x4000
Tracking Speed Script x1
Nugoehuvi Synth Blue Pill Booster ( Just incase )

- - - - - - - - -

DPS with Cal ammo 881.9 dps
DPS with Fury ammo 909.1 dps

If i drop Damage Control II for another DDA or Ballistic Control System II my damage jumps close to 1000 dps. I'm still missing some Missile skills, work in progress P

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atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#12 - 2015-04-30 18:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
Yolli Sly wrote:
atomic killer wrote:
Why are you mixing different rigs for Gila, why do you need to run passive hardeners ?!?!?!

It's been discussed so many times how to fit a Gila.

Here is the fit :

[Gila, lvl4 cheap]

4-x Drone Damage Amplifier II

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
2-x Large Shield Extender II
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Field
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

4-x Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

3-x Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


2-x 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2

If you cant handle incoming damage (obviously you doing something wrong), then swap one damage mod for shield power relay.
If you have Isk and you aren't worried about gankers, then fit navy damage mods for extra DPS. With navy damage mods it is possible to fit pith X-type hardeners. Then it is possible to fit 2 hardeners and drone navigation comp.

With maxed out skills, navy mods and augmented hammerheads you can do almost 1000 dps....why would you wan't to use a Raven ?


1. Because I fly Gila in the game, not in forums or EFT/PIFA;
2. Because I spent about half bilion ISK for rigs and shield modules to find optimal (for me! and in the game) mix of active/pasive modules and rigs;
3. Because pasive shield's "Golden" rule - size first, then resists, then refresh rate;
4. Because stacking penalties;
5. Raven, because OP topic`s title.

to continue?

1000 DPS with Gila, maxed skils and augmented drones - LOL. Man, have you ever seen Gila`s hull?




Because I did all lvl4 missions for SOE, many and many times.

1. You don't fly it or you dont have a clue how to fit it
2. No need to spent, everything already been discussed and tested.
3. You don't need passive resistances, as I said for SOE missions you almost never get neuted. Mission against ammar navy have some neuts, but those missions are usualy declined anyway because of standing loss. You have to be realy stupid to fit 45% passive hardener, when you can fit 61-64% hardener and run everything 24/7
4. For running 3 hardeners this isn't a problem. Mixing shield rigs is a failure. Gila tank with speed anyway

With my skills Gila does 930 DPS and not all of them lvl5, if you dont fly this ship or you dont have a clue about it, dont post !

Augmented hammerheads arent that expensive !