EVE General Discussion

How strangte it is that someone who generalises everyone into the same bucket ...

... actually finds them inside.

Constructed problem around a non existing outrage mixed together with WOW and a generic CCP is a business argument.... posted from an NPC alt who is even named genericforumalt...

This is such an obvious troll, but looks like people bite really hard today. So you get a 9/10 from me, because you managed to troll with such an obvious mixture. -1 because you forgot to whine about grifers, but maybe that would have been too obvious then.. well... have the 10/10

RvB could do that because you guys have the numbers to do.

Go Go Go and do it

hubris is only shameful for the proletariat.

Agreed.

I came to New Eden one day while escaping a horrible "Blizzard"

Luckily for me when I arrived I had found good people who showed me the way. When WoW refugees arrive pick out the bad ones and nurture the strong. STOP F'n badgering WoW players and beating down everything that is WoW and instead do what any good EvE player would do....

AWOX Blizzard and bring all their many players here

^this. Every single word of this.

As long as the "harsh, brutal universe" and "death matters" aspects stay, expect to see my shining face for a long time.
I take breaks every now and then, but I never intend to stay gone for good. I, personally, love it here.

Take the good with the bad, adapt to the changes, and give appropriate feedback to the devs. Remember that they have bills to pay. And above all else.... remember that at least they're not selling buffs for cash, like EA.

You'd have been better off admitting you're not really well-versed in this subject than to demonstrate towering arrogance with a specious accusation of hubris.

While I disagree with you on the premise that mining laser do not kill enemy ships, and that mining ships are terribly inefficient at pvp, I agree with you to the point that people can fly together, and choose not to.

I continue to assert that a lot of the problems of Eve online happen to be through the people being a herd of cats. People don't want to work together.

Maybe its irony that people who want to be "the ultimate badass killer" are antisocial even to the point of working together helpfully.

Maybe its irony that people who want to mine alone in peace don't get that they need others watching their back to have that peaceful alone time.

In the ideal eve, miners buy combat pilots who fly ops to cover a section of lowsec or high sec, these costs then being offset by raising the price of mined ore. Thats one of the problems of industry and miners. They undersell themselves so much they cant afford actual protection. Their profit margins are so low because they lack business sense, that they cant deal with any bumps of sudden necessary expenditures.

In the ideal eve, people do work with other players, rather than seeing them as an inconvenience or an obstable to sole play. Why do you play an online multiplayer game to hide in a hole and play it solo? If you want to do that, there's any number of 80's-90's games of SpaceTrader(tm), that dont have a consistent sub cost, are much cheaper for the original product/cd, and achieve the same thing you're doing in this game.

Of course, the other part of the problem is people who actively pirate miners, when they usually fly as someone who tries to get paid to fight for other corps in wardecs. Blowing up potential employers gets you jollies in the short run, but cuts you off from long term profits.

Without cooperation, even if its just outsourcing a part of your business model, you can't survive in eve, especially as a non-combat.

Ironically, as much as people using alts, to farm while they pirate with their main, can be said to be as risk averse as highsec carebears, they still actually do cooperate with others, by being part of some null alliance space where they can farm with their alts, to funnel all their profits to their main in order to fun their pvp adventures in lowsec or null.

If you want to mine or play industry games solo, thats fine. I'm not saying "you should go play 90's games" if this game is what thrills you more. You'll just have to accept that as long as you're alone, you're the bottom of the food chain. That's how it would be in a single player dynamic game that responded intelligently to your behavior and activity. A single player game where bots who are smart enough to band together and counter your industrial choices or combat choices would crush you with the weight of so many of them vs one of you.

The reason you win at single player games is because the game is designed to let you win. Now you're competing against other living, thinking beings who change and improve their strategies over time, and there's more of them, and they have more buying power than you.

You think you're going to go anywhere alone in a game like that?

This is not WoW. You can't fly solo and achieve.

I enjoy seeing posts complaining about how EvE doesn't hold your hand in threads touting how great EvE is because it doesn't hold your hand. It almost saves me the trouble of telling you to go back to WoW.

If you really don't like getting ganked in Hi-sec, join a null corp. Otherwise appreciate the sandbox that drew you to EvE and all of the bruises that come with it.

I was going to reply to that tirade of abuse but;

1) I am truly pathetic, apparently.

2) Ramona isn't available to speak in my place.